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PostPosted: 04-28-2012 06:36 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


I just pulled the trigger on this http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu ... =MO-168-SA

They're doing VAT back till 7th May, meaning it costs me only £154. So I get 3D, 120Hz, and glasses included. \o/
Should arrive tuesday. Quite a bargain I'd say.
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The fuck you gonna use the 3D for?
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PostPosted: 04-28-2012 06:51 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Things in 3D i think...not sure though
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PostPosted: 04-28-2012 07:32 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


I'm pretty sure xer0s is an idiot.. not sure though.
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PostPosted: 04-28-2012 08:28 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


lol what kind of moron uses 3d?...
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DRuM wrote:
I just pulled the trigger on this http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu ... =MO-168-SA

They're doing VAT back till 7th May, meaning it costs me only £154. So I get 3D, 120Hz, and glasses included. \o/
Should arrive tuesday. Quite a bargain I'd say.



I have this one. http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu ... 20&subcat=

Ive used the 3d only a few times to try it, Crysis, L4D and some PS3. The best 3d game experience was Super Stardust on ps3. Everything else I didn't think 3d was worth the tradeoff in resolution and detail level.

The real selling point for these monitors and the main reason I bought it was for 120hz. Its so smooth and awesome for fps games.
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I have this one. http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu ... 20&subcat=

Ive used the 3d only a few times to try it, Crysis, L4D and some PS3. The best 3d game experience was Super Stardust on ps3. Everything else I didn't think 3d was worth the tradeoff in resolution and detail level.

The real selling point for these monitors and the main reason I bought it was for 120hz. Its so smooth and awesome for fps games.



That's a beautiful monitor, great size too. Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing what the 120hz looks like, but I never really get very high framerates so might never see the best of what the monitor is capable of, but certainly should be smoother. How are 3D movies on yours? Is it anything like as good as the 3D at a cinema?
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You will notice the smoothness just with windows and cursor movement. I haven't watched any 3D movies on mine, just a few trailers I downloaded on PS3. Nothing mind blowing, just different. I think the 3d in the theater is better...but that might just be because of the massive difference in screen size.
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PostPosted: 04-29-2012 09:35 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Word on the street is 3D panels deliver better 2D than a standard 2D panel.
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fuck 3D. I just got me a U2711: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu ... 20&subcat=



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shaft wrote:
I have this one. http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu ... 20&subcat=


that is utterly hideous :olo:



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u jelly?

It was the best 27" 120hz on the market and given that I usually look at the screen and not the bezel , it really wasn't an issue.
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PostPosted: 04-30-2012 10:23 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


It's a nice monitor. Ignore phantfagsmagoria as he has no taste, whether it be in hardware, music or simply having fun.

Somewhere in all that loss of body weight, he unfortunately shed a personality.
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you following me bro?



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PostPosted: 04-30-2012 10:47 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


No...just noticing now what everyone else noticed years ago.
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PostPosted: 04-30-2012 11:47 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


lol poor ppl...
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scared? wrote:
lol poor ppl...


http://www.jigsaw24.com/product-details/g388aab
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lol poor ppl...


http://www.jigsaw24.com/product-details/g388aab


Fuck, 11K and that's just the midrange model.
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for something THAT expensive they sure as hell provide close to no specs what so ever.

am I supposed to be impressed simply by the "OLED" bit?
is the viewing angle and color fidelity good on all angles or just left to right?
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phantasmagoria wrote:
fuck 3D. I just got me a U2711: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu ... 20&subcat=


lovely, i have the same one. it's freaking awesome.
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if you enjoy aggressive anti glare coating....
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Tsakali wrote:
for something THAT expensive they sure as hell provide close to no specs what so ever.

am I supposed to be impressed simply by the "OLED" bit?
is the viewing angle and color fidelity good on all angles or just left to right?


More specs on the Sony site: http://www.pro.sony.eu/biz/lang/en/eu/p ... nicalspecs
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DTS wrote:

http://www.jigsaw24.com/product-details/g388aab

lol rich ppl...
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scared? wrote:
DTS wrote:

http://www.jigsaw24.com/product-details/g388aab

lol rich ppl...


:olo:
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its not a rich peoples monitor tho , its a broadcast monitor

that means most of the bias's that cant be balanced out (like the consumer models have) have not been introduced into this monitor, ie-i can prolbly be calibrated , mostly.



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Wait, wtf? Never thought I'd see people here listing broadcast grading monitors.
BVMs are for client monitoring in online edit suites :E
Your average dumbass Joe Public would think that the picture was dull. These things are for showing you pictures exactly how they were shot.
Besides which, they need calibrating between jobs, something you either pay a third party to do or you end up spending money on the tools and training.
Really not something you would ever see outside of a post production environment.
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Thanks, Mat Linnett. I had been waiting for an OLED monitor for ages, that's how I know about that one. I wouldn't think the picture was dull; I want to see pictures exactly how they were shot, especially if I get into photography (I don't even like edited photos, I want the image to look like you are actually there, not a painting or artist's impression of being there :smirk:). I didn't know that much about the calibrating, but knowing it could need calibrating over and over again was putting me off it. Why do you need training for it? Looked to me like you just point a tool at the screen and adjust the colours and stuff how it says to. Should come with instructions, why wouldn't they be enough?

How is a broadcast post production monitor's image any different to that which a graphic artist, photographer, or skinner wants; they all want the colour to be correct, don't they?
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For that you'd need to talk to someone with a bit more monitor knowledge than me. My specialty is edit suites and keeping those working.
But as an example, these monitors are typically used in rooms made to eliminate any residual light source. The people who use them typically spend the majority of their working day in the dark.
Training up for calibration doesn't take long; you can get courses that will lay out the basics for you in a day, but if you want to understand the theory, that'll take a bit longer.
Don't get me wrong, it's a fucking fantastic monitor, but overpriced for the general consumer. In fact, the inputs on that monitor are probably going to be HDSDI, with maybe one DVI and in all likelihood no HDMI or display port. HDSDI again is a broadcast standard using a BNC style connector.
If you really want a monitor of that quality, consider looking at offerings from JVC. You get comparable quality but at a much lower pricepoint. I've also seen a nice similar grading monitor by a company called Flanders Scientific recently.
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Looks like you are wrong about the HDMI and the DisplayPort, Mat Linnett; on the Sony tech specs page it says:

Quote:
Input

SDI


BNC (x2)

HDMI


HDMI (x1) (HDCP correspondence, Deep Color correspondence)

DisplayPort


DisplayPort connector (x1)*2

Option port


4 ports

Parallel remote


D-sub 9-pin (female) (x1)

Serial remote (LAN)


Ethernet (10BASE-T/100BASE-TX), RJ-45 (x1)


I'll have a look at those ones you linked to, but it's really the OLED that had me interested, cause it's the only tech that's out - in the market - that touches CRT.
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Mat Linnett wrote:
For that you'd need to talk to someone with a bit more monitor knowledge than me. My specialty is edit suites and keeping those working.
But as an example, these monitors are typically used in rooms made to eliminate any residual light source. The people who use them typically spend the majority of their working day in the dark.
Training up for calibration doesn't take long; you can get courses that will lay out the basics for you in a day, but if you want to understand the theory, that'll take a bit longer.
Don't get me wrong, it's a fucking fantastic monitor, but overpriced for the general consumer. In fact, the inputs on that monitor are probably going to be HDSDI, with maybe one DVI and in all likelihood no HDMI or display port. HDSDI again is a broadcast standard using a BNC style connector.
If you really want a monitor of that quality, consider looking at offerings from JVC. You get comparable quality but at a much lower pricepoint. I've also seen a nice similar grading monitor by a company called Flanders Scientific recently.


I could do your profiling for you :) £600 to you, DTS.

You just need something like Profile Maker 5 and a newish i1Pro. Most wizards will walk you through the process unless you're aiming to device link and simulate another output device.

Or you could waste £100 on a i1 Display and get a dE of around +/- 3. But as you say, it's not many displays that can output to the correct standard. you should see the look on peoples faces when you show them a dE report from a Apple monitor and it's terrible. People just don't know what to expect from real world colours.
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shaft wrote:
You will notice the smoothness just with windows and cursor movement. I haven't watched any 3D movies on mine, just a few trailers I downloaded on PS3. Nothing mind blowing, just different. I think the 3d in the theater is better...but that might just be because of the massive difference in screen size.


I received the monitor now. Yeah, you're right, my mouse instantly got smoother with 120hz. The monitor is worthwhile just for the 120Hz, games are definitely smoother now. I'm not particularly liking these active glasses though for 3D. Does my eyes in a bit and I could feel a headache coming on. Pity it's not passive like in the theatre. Tested a few games like crysis warhead and skyrim using tridef software. They ran better than I expected on my puny dual core and 5850, with framerates around 30fps. Skyrim looks amazing in 3D. I'm just not sure if I'll play in 3D that much though because of the slight discomfort of the glasses. The wow factor is there but it's not really going to immerse me in the game much more than playing in 2D. I could change my mind though, it's early days. They also make the screen look darker but that's the same in the theatre anyway.
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That about sums up my 3d experience. Was cool to try, but it wasn't worth the tradeoff in detail. The glasses cause a little strain, but just assumed I didn't give myself enough time to adjust to them. My monitor increased brightness to compensate for glasses when I switch to 3d, check your settings.
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