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Author: | Hipshot [ 08-12-2014 04:30 PM ] |
Post subject: | Rustgrad Beta |
Beta 2: Download: http://www.zfight.com/misc/files/q3/rustgradbeta.zip ~35MB Better botplay, clipping fixes, added some ammo, locations, some custom sounds (same as in Solitude) and several other small fixes === OLD === Ok, so haven't released a level in like ages now, 2010 was the last time with Solitude. Sad thing with this level is, that I started developing this back in 2009, at that time I pretty much locked down the layout. Then I build upon it every now and then, fixing up the graphics. Here are some pros and cons: + Released Not QL - Untested, 2v2 might work? Tons of unnecessary back drop triangles High tri-count Bad bot play Bad collision Bad VIS Too bright Too dark No quake live support Never use overbrightbits 0 here Screens: I will post all models and max/sketchup files here a bit later, so others can use the trees and foliage! Pretty shitty post, but I'm just too tired, I'll update this tomorrow! |
Author: | KittenIgnition [ 08-12-2014 04:38 PM ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rustgrad Beta |
Damn, that is one sexy map! It's also just my style: all the bling without a care for optimization. The only thing that turns me off is that it isn't super open, like is5 was. is5 with that level of detail would be like a dream. Still gorgeous though! |
Author: | ALMighty [ 08-12-2014 10:21 PM ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rustgrad Beta |
Beautiful, as always. |
Author: | AEon [ 08-12-2014 10:31 PM ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rustgrad Beta |
Beyond amazing. Running about I keep finding detail, wondering how you did this and that. Very beautiful. I especially like all your greenery and the skybox mountains and the clouds and even your sun. I see some huge texture borrowing potential in this map. Very inspirational... A few things... nothing major mind you... most mappers, including myself would gladly have "a final" on par with this "beta":
Lighting IMO in the map is fine. Have not tested with bots yet, though. |
Author: | nitin77 [ 08-13-2014 04:02 AM ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rustgrad Beta |
looks spectacular, glad you are going to release it. |
Author: | sst13 [ 08-13-2014 12:56 PM ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rustgrad Beta |
Bug Report http://sst13.net/pics/rustgrad01.jpg the light pointing to the stairs should be a little bit more yellow http://sst13.net/pics/rustgrad02.jpg z-fight & texture misalignment http://sst13.net/pics/rustgrad03.jpg crate without clipping & z-fight (use r_fullbright 1 to find overlapping faces) http://sst13.net/pics/rustgrad04.jpg wrong texture? http://sst13.net/pics/rustgrad05.jpg missing ceiling + env clip & z-fighting water lilies http://sst13.net/pics/rustgrad06.jpg missing face (r_clear 1 is mapper best friend) http://sst13.net/pics/rustgrad07.jpg missing window? & maybe use a single patch to prevent those lightmap seams http://sst13.net/pics/rustgrad08.jpg small hole http://sst13.net/pics/rustgrad09.jpg texture doesn't really fit & a hole http://sst13.net/pics/rustgrad10.jpg these gaps become bigger with higher r_subdivision values http://sst13.net/pics/rustgrad11.jpg ... http://sst13.net/pics/rustgrad12.jpg small hole & detail stuck inside the wall http://sst13.net/pics/rustgrad13.jpg a lot of missing faces http://sst13.net/pics/rustgrad14.jpg missing ceiling clip http://sst13.net/pics/rustgrad15.jpg missing clip in the windows & vine z-fight due to curve lod http://sst13.net/pics/rustgrad16.jpg holes http://sst13.net/pics/rustgrad17.jpg wrong textures? http://sst13.net/pics/rustgrad18.jpg wrong textures? http://sst13.net/pics/rustgrad19.jpg double border looks odd & use the plain border instead of the ornament one inside the grates http://sst13.net/pics/rustgrad20.jpg needs a little bit more vertical stretch http://sst13.net/pics/rustgrad21.jpg the metal edges overlapping order looks weird. the upper one with the dark shadow below, should overlap all others. http://sst13.net/pics/rustgrad22.jpg these 3 textures are fullbright in vertexlight mode - The small stones don't like dynamic light. They start to flicker if you shoot a rocket on the ground. - r_speeds exceed 60k in some places. FPS sometimes under 125 (GTX 560Ti @ 2560x1600). - there are no target_location entities (TDM) and no music key in the worldspawn. - there are also "no" ambient sounds - maybe place the quad onto the mine entrance door? |
Author: | KittenIgnition [ 08-13-2014 03:52 PM ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rustgrad Beta |
http://i.imgur.com/pspK0ZG.jpg pretty much everywhere a patch meets a brush with the same texture, there's a seam. This is why I consider patches to be pure evil. http://i.imgur.com/n7frYzL.jpg planks ain't weapclipped http://i.imgur.com/nPTKiOg.jpg except when they are, but improperly |
Author: | obsidian [ 08-13-2014 07:37 PM ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rustgrad Beta |
KittenIgnition wrote: This is why I consider patches to be pure evil. Patches aren't evil, T-junctions are. I've mentioned this to Hipshot before, the way he mixes brushes with patches results in a LOT of T-junctions and they need to be fixed to solve the sparklie seam issues. |
Author: | Pat Howard [ 08-13-2014 07:59 PM ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rustgrad Beta |
some times after working so long on a map, you know there are little texture mess ups everywhere but you just have to get over the OCD and release the thing. most players care ZERO about small texture misalignments and they don't even notice them. sidenote @sst13: your bug reports are always greatly appreciated though this map is really beautiful and i think you should call this the final beta and finish it up ASAP. i do agree with AEon about the bouncers. they don't fit at all. try some kind of broken stone circular bouncer with vines coming out of it, or maybe a fan-type bouncer could work. that's my only nitpick. this map comes closer to a fantasy/fairy tale theme in the outdoor areas than any other Q3A map i have seen, which is truly great. i especially love the skybox, surreal terrain, and realistic trees. it feels like walking around in a painting. great job! |
Author: | KittenIgnition [ 08-14-2014 03:37 AM ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rustgrad Beta |
Pat Howard wrote: this map is really beautiful and i think you should call this the final beta and finish it up ASAP. On a map like this, where performance has been compromised in order to make it look a lot better, these things really should not be ignored. Fixing all the little bugs would potentially result in the first "perfect" map I've ever seen released. It makes me sad to see beautiful maps rushed near the end, and lots of small bugs left in. |
Author: | v1l3 [ 08-15-2014 04:28 AM ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rustgrad Beta |
I don't care what anyone says ... this is the best Q3 map that has ever been made ... it's amazing! I like that you took the little pond/rock area out of hipshot_dm8 and put it into this one ... the detail in each room It would be cool to see this in the QL map rotation, with all of the new updates and changes in QL .. it's definitely worthy of it, if there was some more work put into item placement .. it needs more ammo. If you put it up in the QL forum, I'm sure that they would be all over it. **pokes cityy** |
Author: | Hipshot [ 08-17-2014 02:52 PM ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rustgrad Beta |
Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it! I just compiled and uploaded beta2, I also edited the first post, bot play should be much better now, even if the bots still act a bit stupid. Download: http://www.zfight.com/misc/files/q3/rustgradbeta.zip ~35MB It would be great if anyone found any collision errors or so, if they could post them here, cause I figure I might as well finalize this until next weekend and release it. And, well, I won't change those JPs, I know some of you think they are odd against the rest of the level, but I don't think so. I think it goes well with the entire "arena-fied" location thing, just like with the TPs. In fact, I kinda dislike a lot of these JPs that looks like they were built into the levels, like fans etc. Just my two cents =) ----- @sst13, Thanks a lot, that was really good, quality QA there. It was such a long time since I released a level, so I totally forgot about clear. Your list of errors was very helpful and I actually didn't know that r_fullbright would show me overlapping faces like that. Nice! I wonder though, why your FPS would be so low? I'm on a GTX260 (however I can't play in 2560, only 1920x1200) and I have a stable 125FPS. May I ask where you found those 60k tris? Please check w/o fullbright if you can =) @AEon, I use a lot of hint brushes, they are all over the place, but I know some things can be seen anyway, it's very strange. And yes, I use extensive blending on the terrain, I did it like in this image: @KittenIgnition, that's just sloppy texture alignment from my side, it has nothing to do with that a brush can't meet a patch. It's fixed now =) @Obsidian, I will probably never learn =) @Pat, thanks! I would never release this level with the errors in the first beta, I wouldn't have released this beta in this stage couple years ago either, the current version (beta2) is more like how I should have released it. The current version is the final beta, I already know a few things to fix though, but those will be fixed in a final version. @v1l3, Yes that is the same terrain! Only difference is the mine exit, which in that level was a pipe into the underground. I created those textures back then and I've been using them in several levels, cause I was very satisfied with them, I see no reason for me to stop using them either. Hipshot_dm8 is almost exactly 8 years old now (2006) and that's when I created this terrain, it's pretty fun to actually have it in this level, the scene has looked quiet different during these 8 years =) Initially why I reused the terrain was because I wasn't satisfied with the area and in combination with wanting to develop a more "Quake 1" looking Q3 level, but hipshottified, I figure I could just reuse this and build upon it. After a while, I coulden't come up with good texture selections for the theme and switched course to how it looks today. |
Author: | CZghost [ 08-18-2014 05:14 AM ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rustgrad Beta |
The terrain looks great on the screenie Downloaded, gonna to test it And be sure of feedback |
Author: | AEon [ 08-18-2014 12:02 PM ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rustgrad Beta |
Really had fun playing the default 3 hardcore bots. I especially like the SG arena, camping around the RL, getting the 50H, to then jump onto the planks to grab the shards, to then get the MH, and back into the arena. Shooting the bots taking the JP up or shooting at them as they reach the top. This area has awesome gameplay. The other arenas I am not so sure about. Might be a learning thing, having to learn to appreciate those. Ironically the most organic area, the mine exit door with water and a few 5H is still the area I try to avoid like heck. I keep having the feeling I am on ice there, and for some reason the bots are especially deadly there too. In the SG arena, I noted the bots can go along the wall, where you cut out the wall slightly. This works really well gameplay-wise. Still think some geometry would make the bot movement along the orangey pipe more plausible. Several respawn points I noted were strange:
I initially was not much a fan of the mines, but after knowing were the MH is (did you shorten its respawn time?) I love grabbing the MH to go directly for the SG arena. Played to a score of 100... this was a *lot* of fun. Gameplay-wise probably in there with Solar. Only more complex to understand all the paths and how to use them... I initially wanted to suggest adding at least two more bots by default. But 3 actually worked better than I had expected. I noted Phobos actually jumping to get to TP on the platform... or did you use some clever clipping to make it look like jumping? Over all a huge amount of gameplay to discover and explore. Such a non-trivial layout is really interesting. Reminded me of q3dm7... where I also kept changing the way I played... here the process is more complex though. Very good job... really nice map. |
Author: | surgeon62 [ 08-22-2014 08:25 PM ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rustgrad Beta |
Amazing Thanks for giving me a reason to fire up Q3 again... I can't believe you guys are still pushing out more and more awesomeness from the engine... Keep up the good work |
Author: | sst13 [ 09-02-2014 06:22 PM ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rustgrad Beta |
Hipshot wrote: May I ask where you found those 60k tris? Hmm, can't find the spot anymore. Only 2 areas with max 40k: http://sst13.net/pics/rustgrad23.jpg + http://sst13.net/pics/rustgrad24.jpg FPS is also stable 125 now... http://sst13.net/pics/rustgrad25.jpg - 2 missing faces. http://sst13.net/pics/rustgrad26.jpg - The trim is still not complete. And some of the lamps don't have playerclip, others do. http://sst13.net/pics/rustgrad27.jpg - I don't really like the ceiling in the 45° connection. The fluorescent bulbs are a bit to long for my taste. How about a small light well like here?: http://zfight.com/misc/images/maps/m8/final/3.jpg |
Author: | xiripiti [ 09-05-2014 08:55 AM ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rustgrad Beta |
Realy amazing job !!! I wonder what ID is waiting to contact u and say "We need this map" |
Author: | Pat Howard [ 12-10-2014 12:34 PM ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rustgrad Beta |
@sst13: just wondering how you got the all-white rendering in this image: http://sst13.net/pics/rustgrad01.jpg i've seen people do this before. here it looks like you just textured the map white and recompiled it. i'm just making sure it's not some kind of console command to only view lightmaps - right? because that would be awesome. |
Author: | Hipshot [ 12-10-2014 12:52 PM ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rustgrad Beta |
r_lightmap |
Author: | fKd [ 12-10-2014 04:24 PM ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rustgrad Beta |
heh, learn something eveyday |
Author: | AEon [ 12-10-2014 04:26 PM ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rustgrad Beta |
Just ran through AEdm7 with that turned on... looked really neat... |
Author: | Pat Howard [ 12-11-2014 12:47 PM ] |
Post subject: | Re: Rustgrad Beta |
Hipshot wrote: r_lightmap D: fuck! thank you! |
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