How is that possible?

Post by **DRuM** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 12:45 am

I see what you mean about your vision!

I already typed it above.

Post by **Krazy_K** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 12:46 am

ok ty. And i don't stand still when i spawn. It's just somehow most ppl i fight have pinpoint fucking accuracy no matter how much i try to strafe and switch directions on them.

Post by **DRuM** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:03 am

Regarding Q3, you owned bots on nightmare or the lesser difficulties? I play more Q3 than Q4 because my pc is too sucky for Q4 and I still prefer Q3. I think the enemy is easier to see in Q3, and so for you, if you're having trouble aiming, having better skins to aim at would make things easier. If you still have Q3 installed I'd like to spec you or even play you depending where you are.

Krazy_K wrote:
I hate capture the flag and team deathmatch because I hate being on teams with ppl. 1v1 is the only thing I play. And FFA I used to play alot on ut, but I'm sick of it for a bunch of reasons. I hate getting shot in the back and I hate ppl always stealing my fucking frags.

See, this statement says to me that you actually should play FFA a lot more. I don't really like teamplay either, FFA and 1v1 is all that interests me too. But you know, even though I suck at 1v1, I'm a lot better at it now because of FFA. I couldn't hit shit in 1v1 before and FFA got my aim together ( a bit more together than before it anyway). In 1v1, you'll find it hard to get better if you never get a chance to practise aim because you're fragged too quickly everytime. With FFA you actually get to practise aiming and prediction shots more easily. So if you're not doing teamgames or ffa, but only 1v1, you're making life hard on yourself. If you can't frag fairly easily in ffa, then forget 1v1 for now. 1v1 can be depressing for even the good players, it's lonely and it's tense. I have fun with ffa, but it helps my playing overall.

Post by **Krazy_K** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:07 am

When I say I own the bots I meant on the difficulties where its actually possible to win. (not nightmare or hardcore). As far as playing you on q3, I would if i could get q3 to work online again. Now every time i try to join a server I get a different error message everytime. And with ffa, I do play it every once in a while, It just irritates me real easily.

Post by **Krazy_K** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:12 am

"Server disconnected. Unpure Client detected. Invalid pk.3 files referenced!"
Wtf is this supposed to mean?

Post by **DRuM** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:14 am

Krazy_K wrote:I have quake 3. And bots dont do shit. I own the bots everytime.

Krazy_K wrote:When I say I own the bots I meant on the difficulties where its actually possible to win. (not nightmare or hardcore).

Ah well then, you're not owning the bots. Practise against hardcore bots. Then move up to nightmare. Because online players are so much more skilled and make nightmare bots seem like I can win bots. There is noone to steal your frags offline, it's simply you, your movement and your aim against bots who have some aim but no thinking or skill. That is a great way to improve aim. If you can beat nightmare bots, you're at least someway better towards online players.

Post by **Krazy_K** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:21 am

Thats really ungodly. I really have a hard time believeing that ppl can own bots on nightmare, considering that bots on nightmare never miss.....ever. At least not when I tried. And I have alot of issues with Q3. Almost every server I try to go onto gives me an error message and wont let me play. And I still havent figured out how to get downloaded custom maps to work, which eliminates like half the ervers I can join.

Post by **DRuM** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:30 am

Oh yea believe it, nightmare bots are nothing compared to online players. And sure, bots miss. It's all down to your dodging ability. Denying them rail by moving fast and getting to the rail before them is another way to stop them getting too much advantage. It's a good way to practise collecting armour and MH too. The more you can deny the bots, and the more you shield yourself with armour and health, the more chance you have of winning. Do not under estimate ( like I used to) the utter importance of armour. It really is very important.

Post by **Krazy_K** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:53 am

Ok well I just tried and I beat a bot 1v1 20-4 on nightmare. That was definitely fun though.

Post by **DRuM** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 2:02 am

You did? Well that's great. Excellent score margin too.

Post by **DooMer** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:03 am

DRuM wrote:
DooMer wrote:Yeah, the badge is fake.

I'm not the best player, but I can remember the exact moment when I was a total noob in q2 and everything clicked. I was spec'ing some guy who was miles better than me and thought "wait a minute, why am I playing like a fucking retard? THIS is how you play quake." Right after that moment I started destroying spirits, and crushing souls. Strange but true.
So what exactly was the breakthrough for you that changed your game forever in the pursuit of crushing souls? Was it simply a realisation of controlling the maps for armour and MH? Or something else?

It was just the movement, and everything. After watching how it was supposed to be done, it changed how I looked at the game, and my skill level went from complete shit, to above average in 20 minutes. By complete shit I mean I was one of those guys who stands there in one spot and tries to "snipe" people. Item control was something that came a bit later.

Post by **NitrousFlare** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:11 am

Krazy_K wrote:I have quake 3. And bots dont do shit. I own the bots everytime.

sorry for being blunt, but if you can "own" the bots on hardest, why do you suck?

Post by **Oeloe** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:32 am

Krazy_K wrote:Thats really ungodly. I really have a hard time believeing that ppl can own bots on nightmare, considering that bots on nightmare never miss.....ever.

Check my demos of me beating all 26 bot matches at nightmare, and not dying once (getting the 'perfect' award). Not in one stroke of course.

I did it about 1,5 years ago, took me a lot of map_restarts, but it's a good exercise to try to stay alive through all of the maps while reaching the frag limit first.

Bots do miss btw.

Their projectile weapon aim isn't that great (just don't let them get close), but some bots have very good aim with a preferred weapon like RG, SG or LG.

Btw people can help you with your Q3 problems (joining servers) in the Q3 Discussion or Troubleshooting forum.

Post by **^misantropia^** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:38 pm

As soon as I read that snippet about the nightmare bots, I knew I was going to find Oeloe in here somewhere, pimping his demos.

Post by **dzjepp** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:27 pm

It would have been better if you did the single-player ladder like that.

Post by **Survivor** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:35 pm

Krazy_K wrote:And can someone tell me the cmd for invis weps again? I wrote it down somewhere and cant find it now.

Q4

DRuM wrote:The command is ui_showgun 0

( ui_showgun 1 to show weps again)

Q3

/cg_drawgun 0
1 to show again.

Post by **Krazy_K** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 9:46 pm

Originally posted by NitrousFlare:
sorry for being blunt, but if you can "own" the bots on hardest, why do you suck?

I don't know. That's exactly why I posted in the first place.

Post by **Tormentius** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:02 pm

Krazy_K wrote:Originally posted by NitrousFlare:
sorry for being blunt, but if you can "own" the bots on hardest, why do you suck?

I don't know. That's exactly why I posted in the first place.

Just having aim won't win (all) matches. A large part of the equation is strategy and item control; it's kind of like chess because you have to out-think your opponent. Try playing more 1v1 or small deathmatches since there is less spam and more skill involved.

Post by **Krazy_K** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:13 pm

Originally posted by Tormentius:
Try playing more 1v1 or small deathmatches since there is less spam and more skill involved.

.............
1v1 and small deathmatches are the only things I ever play.

Post by **Tormentius** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:57 pm

Krazy_K wrote: .............
1v1 and small deathmatches are the only things I ever play.

Then spec more matches with good players (like Doomer suggested) and ask yourself "how" when you get fragged and then learn from the mistake. You could also try downloading some of the tweaked configs people have posted here as that may help too.

Post by **NitrousFlare** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:00 pm

Krazy_K wrote:Originally posted by Tormentius:
Try playing more 1v1 or small deathmatches since there is less spam and more skill involved.

.............
1v1 and small deathmatches are the only things I ever play.

don't say you're already doing all of this, because if you are, you probably wouldn't have made this forum

maybe you're doing it wrong, i don't know

Post by **Krazy_K** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:10 pm

Well I guess am doing it wrong then. Everything you guys have suggested I have tried before, or still do try. On a tourney server I was onrecently, one of the other players said I need to fight someone who is the same skill as me or I won't get any better, which seems to be noone. But that may be one of the reasons why I still suck.

Post by **Tormentius** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:19 pm

Krazy_K wrote:Well I guess am doing it wrong then. Everything you guys have suggested I have tried before, or still do try. On a tourney server I was onrecently, one of the other players said I need to fight someone who is the same skill as me or I won't get any better, which seems to be noone. But that may be one of the reasons why I still suck.

Wrong. Playing against people who are already better than you and having the determination to learn is what will make you better. Playing against people who are the same skill level won't cause you to challenge yourself.

Post by **Lenard** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:25 pm

Get owned over and over again and then when you play the mediocre players they will be easier to beat. Something I suggest to anyone: Before going into a 1v1, play with timescale 2.0 against bots or even by yourself for 15 mins or untill it feels somewhat workable. Then when you play 1v1 at normal speed everything is in slo-mo. This may seem rediculous but it is absolutely true. You will be thinking, "WHAT THE FUCK?" I have won many matches this way.

Post by **Krazy_K** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:32 pm

1.Been getting owned over and over for years.

2.What medicore players?

3.Wtf is timescale?