LD 20 Brush Contest (Posts and Questions Thread)

[Infernis]

LD 20 Brush Contest Volume 1:

See the announcement here.

Post any questions, comments, other random stuff about the contest below.

[VolumetricSteve]

I saw the other thread about there being a contest about making a map with only 20 brushes. I started the moment I read it, and I'm just about done with the basic structure (I have little to no intention of winning, may the best map win) but I wanted to enter it for funzies just because ..it's 20 brushes, and it's been fun to work on so far.

My question is this, I read in the rules that you can have a basic cubic skybox and the 6 brushes used to make it don't count towards the total 20.

My map has a skybox that is both basic and cubic, however 5 of the 6 sides are treated as walls/floor, and the uppermost edge is hellsky.

So, while it's a cube that I've hollowed out, resulting in six brushes, it is an integral part of the layout. In a way, you could say it's a "world" box as opposed to a skybox. Do these 6 brushes still count towards the 20?

If I can't add more brushes, I'm leaning towards adding light-emitting concrete. This is going to be silly.

[obsidian]

5 of those brushes would definitely be counted, the 6th is questionable and I'll wait for other judges/organizer to comment.


(Note: merged threads)

[VolumetricSteve]

Interesting (I thought this thread was locked? oh well, neat)

I found one easy way around my problem anyway, deleted one brush, built another somewhere else. I'll be able to do crazier things once I actually get into shader modification so I don't need different brushes for different things.

I might wanna see how far I can push some visual envelopes with this one, since the structure was so simple to throw together....I'm sure there are some creative geniuses out there that know exactly what to do with 20 brushes, right now, that's not me. (eggnog) But I do like to mess with everything I can get my hands on, like 8 stage shaders or anything else silly I can do with surfaces in quake 3.

[Eraser]

If I can't add more brushes, I'm leaning towards adding light-emitting concrete. This is going to be silly.

[Infernis]

5 of those brushes would definitely be counted, the 6th is questionable and I'll wait for other judges/organizer to comment.


(Note: merged threads)

Agreed!

[Noruen]

My God! 20 brushes? Are you crazy? Well.. I'll try it, THIS is real challenge

But I have one question about models. You know, I can make by models very complicated map, but it can be done only with help of clips. So, are botclips, playerclips and so no allowed? And if they are - are they counted into 20 brushes?

[dONKEY]

You can't use models.
Only visible brushes count towards the brush count. Clips/hints/alphaMod etc do not count as they have no visible faces in game.

[Eraser]

It's 20 visible brushes.
I think the rules should be clearer on the use of map models, because you could create a whole level out of 1 single map object and caulk and player clip the whole thing up and be done with it. I assume that's not allowed, is it?

[Anthem]

It's 20 visible brushes.
I think the rules should be clearer on the use of map models, because you could create a whole level out of 1 single map object and caulk and player clip the whole thing up and be done with it. I assume that's not allowed, is it?

9. Any content that falls outside the rules should be checked with a judge on whether it is allowed before submission. This rule set is fairly comprehensive, but a lack of mentioning something use does not automatically mean it is allowed.

I'm going to say no, that's not allowed.

[obsidian]

See #3 (I should also mention that visible func_ entities count as brushes - like if you make a door out of a brush).

Rules (Quake 3):

1. A maximum of 20 visible brushes may be used in the level geometry.

2. A maximum of 10 visible patches are allowed in place of a brush (e.g. you can use 16 brushes and 4 patches).

3. Use of all entities (lights, triggers, etc) is allowed and does not add to the 20 brush limit. With the exception of map-models [either stock or 3rd party). This also includes prefabs.

4. Decals and custom sounds are also not allowed.

5. There no texture limit. Stock or 3rd party textures can be used. In case you are using 3rd party textures you must also include the credits. Otherwise the map will be dismissed.

6. The creation of a basic skybox will not add to the 20 brush limit.

- A simple cube may be used to set up a skybox. Complex skyboxes that contain more than a simple cube setup is not allowed.
- A basic sky entity with a skydome mesh may be used to set up a skybox. Complex skyboxes that contain more than a simple skydome mesh setup is not allowed.

7. Brushes are not allowed to have more than 32 surfaces.

8. All submissions should be as complete as possible.

- Do not delete the brushes from your editor once you are done. We need to be able to see what you built and how you built it, so removal of the brushes after completion is not allowed.
- Place all weapons and game type specific entities where they should be. All submissions should be fully functional in their specified gametype(s).
- Include a name, description, level screenshot and the .map file. These are required and do affect marking if not present.

9. Any content that falls outside the rules should be checked with a judge on whether it is allowed before submission. This rule set is fairly comprehensive, but a lack of mentioning something use does not automatically mean it is allowed.

10. The value of each submission is a subjective thing. Judges will do their best to judge evenly and equally. To prevent unpleasantries, all marks given by the judges are final and are not up for debate.

[Noruen]

Anthem - that's what I was asking about thanks!

Obsidian - yes, but my problem was if I can create whole level like one model and than clip it. With 20 models I can create very complex map. But ok, that's not allowed and thats good

[VolumetricSteve]

I'm already done with two versions of one map(one with baseq3 textures, one with AEon's texture pack beta 2), and a whole extra new map. How many of our 20 brush maps can we submit for this? I could crank these things out all day, this is a blast.

fun fact : my compiler DESTROYS even the most complex compile modes when there's only 20 brushes, I almost wanna map like this all the time!

I can't wait to see what other folks are putting together.

[Infernis]

I didn't consider the fact that people might want to submit more then one map

BHut only one submission is allowed, so choose your best

[VolumetricSteve]

Poop. That sucks, because I *just* finished another one, I have three unique maps now and one variation.

*edit

grumble...grumble...I'll pick one......hrmpfh.

also, how are fog brushes counted? like the one I have in just like a list mist on the floor to make it look nice, I can't imagine the way it's laid out it has any impact on gameplay so I don't know if it'd count as one of the 20.

[Eraser]

See #3 (I should also mention that visible func_ entities count as brushes - like if you make a door out of a brush).

Rules (Quake 3):

3. Use of all entities (lights, triggers, etc) is allowed and does not add to the 20 brush limit. With the exception of map-models [either stock or 3rd party). This also includes prefabs.

I saw that, but the way you've worded it, it's like map-models are an exception to the rule that entities do not add to the 20 brush limit. So in other words, if I add 1 map-model to my map, that counts as 1 brush, no matter how complex or large it is. This would allow the scenario I described before.

Maybe you should simply state that mapmodels are not allowed?

[obsidian]

Rule: No mapmodels or I will pee on you head.

There. Happy?

[Noruen]

Bad day Obsidian? Stay cool...

[sst13]

For everyone who wants to submit several maps. It's a fun contest with no prizes, so create some fake accounts and submit as a ghostwriter.
Don't forget to use diffrent file hoster etc.

[obsidian]

Uh... no. Cheating on a "fun" contest just makes you a douche (and I will also pee on your head).

[VolumetricSteve]

Stand back, he's serious, obsidian will pee on every head.

That's the obsidian guarantee.


Plus I think I know which map I want to submit, so I think I can put away the raincoat.

[Anthem]

Uh... no. Cheating on a "fun" contest just makes you a douche (and I will also pee on your head).

I agree with this. I may not pee on your head, but I may defenestrate you at least.

[Noruen]

Well Obsidian, you shoud keep drinking a lot of water if you want to pee all our heads

But i suppose it will be no neccesary in my case - but I have another question for you, my dear jurors... Can I use "light painting"? I mean projecting shadows on walls with use of INVISIBLE (please, read the word "invisible" very well) brushes to cast shadows on walls?

[VolumetricSteve]

Noruen, what are you up to? I...just....what?

[Noruen]

VolumeticSteve - that's secret