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PostPosted: 05-21-2012 11:22 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Doesn't Chrome send usage stats to Google? I still use Firefox. *shrug* They both seem about the same to me. IE is still a big giant fucking pig of a program. Fuck me, is M$ fuckin' retarded?




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PostPosted: 05-21-2012 11:35 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


name one good software product by microsoft...




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PostPosted: 05-21-2012 11:59 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


I still use Firefox (except at work where i am forced to endure the unspeakable horrors of Explorer).



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PostPosted: 05-22-2012 12:52 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Memphis wrote:
name one good software product by microsoft...


Oh boy, welcome to 2012, Memphis. Anti-MS sentiments based on the quality of their products is so 90's.

IE9 has made great strides towards web standards compatibility since the horrors of IE6. Sure, it still has a long way to go on some fronts (not in the least its horrible UI) but IE has certainly improved much over the years. The only thing is that Chrome (and as a result Firefox, to keep up with Google) have improved much more over the years.

IE might not be the shining beacon of great software coming from Microsoft, but to act like MS only makes shit products is completely misguided.



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PostPosted: 05-22-2012 01:19 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Memphis wrote:
name one good software product by microsoft...


Windows



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PostPosted: 05-22-2012 02:11 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


phantasmagoria wrote:
Memphis wrote:
name one good software product by microsoft...


Windows


This
Also Office and Xbox Live (though technically a service I guess...?)

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PostPosted: 05-22-2012 05:48 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Memphis wrote:
name one good software product by microsoft...

Microsoft Security Essentials is quite good really.




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HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:
Memphis wrote:
name one good software product by microsoft...

Microsoft Security Essentials is quite good really.

I'm really surprised by how well it works despite being free. It's not up in your shit all the time like the rest are.




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PostPosted: 05-22-2012 12:06 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


apparently, in IE10 you'll be able to pin app tabs, just like you've been able to in FF for ages

cool :cool:




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PostPosted: 05-22-2012 01:56 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


IE is getting better at older standards compliance but is still pretty shit for HTML5. People using older than IE8 can stay in the internet backwaters as far as I'm concerned, they should no longer be supported.



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PostPosted: 05-22-2012 02:23 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Yeah and they should all die a fucking horrible death. :up:




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PostPosted: 05-22-2012 02:29 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


I wish I could get this worked up about what Internet browsers other people use.




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PostPosted: 05-22-2012 03:15 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


I'd never use chrome. As well as facebook. Although I'd probably buy some shares if they drop another 15-20%.




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PostPosted: 05-22-2012 04:45 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


I use IE8/9, FF, Chrome, and Safari. Each one has its quirks, but if I have to pick one, it'd probably be Safari... >:)




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obsidian wrote:
IE is getting better at older standards compliance but is still pretty shit for HTML5. People using older than IE8 can stay in the internet backwaters as far as I'm concerned, they should no longer be supported.


Amen brotha




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Ferrao10 wrote:
I'd never use chrome. As well as facebook. Although I'd probably buy some shares if they drop another 15-20%.


You shouldn't post. As well as Engrish. Because no one gives a fuck.




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U4EA wrote:
I wish I could get this worked up about what Internet browsers other people use.

You probably never got involved in developing websites or webapps then?



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PostPosted: 05-22-2012 10:43 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


ooh feel the pain of web developers

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PostPosted: 05-23-2012 06:30 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


long live the geek opera. :D

"name one good software product by microsoft"

Mac OS X sponsored by Microsoft :paranoid:




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Honestly, playing X-Wing on Windows 95 was badass. So kudos to MS.




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PostPosted: 05-23-2012 06:36 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


I know it's a noob question, but I honestly don't know. Is there any real benefit of one browser over the next for the casual web surfer? I use Safari cause it's already preloaded on my laptop, but I've never had like a "this sucks, I want to switch browsers" type of epiphany. Do browsers really effect speed? I figured they'd all be about the same, the internet connection being the main factor.




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phantasmagoria wrote:
Memphis wrote:
name one good software product by microsoft...


Windows


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HomerJ wrote:
I know it's a noob question, but I honestly don't know. Is there any real benefit of one browser over the next for the casual web surfer? I use Safari cause it's already preloaded on my laptop, but I've never had like a "this sucks, I want to switch browsers" type of epiphany. Do browsers really effect speed? I figured they'd all be about the same, the internet connection being the main factor.


Firefox, Safari, Chrome, Opera, they're all decent browsers that are frequently updated to maintain web standards and have decent interfaces which work well. The browser fanboys on various forums are analogous to fanboys of operating systems, video game consoles, smart phones, sci-fi shows, etc. etc. The morons who claim that browser X is 1^-Y milliseconds faster at loading a webpage because it "feels" faster are tiresome mouthbreathers who need to have their heads stomped in and then stabbed with their own skull fragments.

The only browser that sucks is Internet Explorer, because Microsoft hadn't bothered to stick to web standards and came up with a whole bunch of proprietary stuff and ways in which it reads markup differently. Microsoft plunged the internet into a web standards dark ages for almost a decade between the fall of Netscape and the beginnings of Firebird (now rebranded as Firefox). Safari and Chrome followed suit with Firefox in sticking with standards compliance and now Microsoft is trying to play catch-up.

The biggest problem for web developers are all the people who insist on running older, broken versions of IE with all its security holes, either because they are old people stuck on computers from the 90's, or because their retarded IT departments insist on sticking with older browsers because of some antiquated in-house software that depends on a stupid ActiveX feature which no one in IT understands how it works anymore but admitting it would probably mean they get fired.



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PostPosted: 05-23-2012 09:01 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Firefox made itself suck with a broken resource-hogging update that crippled performance AND made text unreadable. Haven't used it since, that's when I switched to Chrome.



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google is evil. chrome loses




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obsidian wrote:
HomerJ wrote:
I know it's a noob question, but I honestly don't know. Is there any real benefit of one browser over the next for the casual web surfer? I use Safari cause it's already preloaded on my laptop, but I've never had like a "this sucks, I want to switch browsers" type of epiphany. Do browsers really effect speed? I figured they'd all be about the same, the internet connection being the main factor.


Firefox, Safari, Chrome, Opera, they're all decent browsers that are frequently updated to maintain web standards and have decent interfaces which work well. The browser fanboys on various forums are analogous to fanboys of operating systems, video game consoles, smart phones, sci-fi shows, etc. etc. The morons who claim that browser X is 1^-Y milliseconds faster at loading a webpage because it "feels" faster are tiresome mouthbreathers who need to have their heads stomped in and then stabbed with their own skull fragments.

The only browser that sucks is Internet Explorer, because Microsoft hadn't bothered to stick to web standards and came up with a whole bunch of proprietary stuff and ways in which it reads markup differently. Microsoft plunged the internet into a web standards dark ages for almost a decade between the fall of Netscape and the beginnings of Firebird (now rebranded as Firefox). Safari and Chrome followed suit with Firefox in sticking with standards compliance and now Microsoft is trying to play catch-up.

The biggest problem for web developers are all the people who insist on running older, broken versions of IE with all its security holes, either because they are old people stuck on computers from the 90's, or because their retarded IT departments insist on sticking with older browsers because of some antiquated in-house software that depends on a stupid ActiveX feature which no one in IT understands how it works anymore but admitting it would probably mean they get fired.

:up: Thank you for the informative post and keeping it simple for the lay person.




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Eraser wrote:
You probably never got involved in developing websites or webapps then?

Dabbled in it briefly at my previous job around the time when IE7 was released [which broke some major website components of our software that were basically written to cater for IE6 idiosyncrasies]. To be fair, it was a terrible hassle.

At my current job, I thankfully don't have to deal with it, we have a whole team which handles the website framework and code.




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Eraser wrote:
U4EA wrote:
I wish I could get this worked up about what Internet browsers other people use.

You probably never got involved in developing websites or webapps then?


Ok...so lemme get this straight: you're on record of stating that you wish people would update their browsers to make your job easier...and yet you admit that your PC can't play some games because you haven't upgraded it in roughly 6000 years?




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That's only a contradiction if you're a moron.




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feedback wrote:
Firefox made itself suck with a broken resource-hogging update that crippled performance AND made text unreadable. Haven't used it since, that's when I switched to Chrome.


Works fine for me. I don't understand the performance argument when it comes to browsers, like you notice any memory footprint on your gaming PCs with 16GB of RAM as if your choice of browser will slow down your page loading by 1/10000000th of a second. Seems a recurring theme among Chrome users is that Firefox version way-back-when didn't work for me so I switched to Chrome and never looked back, even though Google will also occasionally produce a bad/buggy version. Don't get me wrong, if you happened to just like Chrome better because it suits you, that's cool. But I really don't get it when actual performance benchmarks have shown that resources and performance are pretty much even between the two. 99% of everything people view on their browser is pure HTML/CSS/Javascript anyway, it's not like it is any different than what computers used to do 10 years ago.



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GONNAFISTYA wrote:
Ok...so lemme get this straight: you're on record of stating that you wish people would update their browsers to make your job easier...and yet you admit that your PC can't play some games because you haven't upgraded it in roughly 6000 years?


You make absolutely 0 sense there gonnapoopya.



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obsidian wrote:
feedback wrote:
Firefox made itself suck with a broken resource-hogging update that crippled performance AND made text unreadable. Haven't used it since, that's when I switched to Chrome.


Works fine for me. I don't understand the performance argument when it comes to browsers, like you notice any memory footprint on your gaming PCs with 16GB of RAM as if your choice of browser will slow down your page loading by 1/10000000th of a second. Seems a recurring theme among Chrome users is that Firefox version way-back-when didn't work for me so I switched to Chrome and never looked back, even though Google will also occasionally produce a bad/buggy version. Don't get me wrong, if you happened to just like Chrome better because it suits you, that's cool. But I really don't get it when actual performance benchmarks have shown that resources and performance are pretty much even between the two. 99% of everything people view on their browser is pure HTML/CSS/Javascript anyway, it's not like it is any different than what computers used to do 10 years ago.


You're right in most of the cases, but when you're running a webapp that consists of over 21 megabytes of JavaScript then you need a fast browser. For most normal websites you're right that it doesn't make a whole lot of difference, but especially when running JavaScript heavy applications, the speed of the JS parser definitely makes a noticeable difference.

But other than that, browser choice is often a matter of preference for a certain set of features. The developer tools available for Firefox are unmatched as far as I'm concerned, although Chrome comes close with the build in developer tools. It's just that I'm used to Firefox (made the switch from Netscape Navigator to Firefox ages ago) and really haven't felt the need to switch to Chrome yet, even though it is faster when it comes to JavaScript parsing.



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the new devcycles from firefox are all fine and dandy, but them latest builds to tend to have huge memory leaks. something I notice when developing and having the same (jsheavy) page open for a while.
stuttering in animations for instance, both js and css3.




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Strong virgins in this thread.



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