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0psys wrote:
Don Carlos wrote:
Strict presses?
I am at 70kg 1RM and thats not strict for push presses. My training was destroyed after I opened my should up and I have struggled to get into a routine again since. From Wednesday I should be back properly.


It's not really advisable to press strictly once you move past 60kg in my opinion.. I keep it relatively strict, but I like to give it a bit of a shunt with my calves at the start of each rep. It's more of a power press; I use momentum to get it from my collarbone to my chin, and then keep my form strict from there on before letting it drop again once it gets to my chin.

Strict form is a bit dangerous on shoulder presses, you're shredding your rotators at certain parts of the movement, so a bit of momentum helps decrease the weight during the stressful part of the press.


Interesting. I have been practicing hand stand push ups in a bid to up my push presses (and also try to get an unassisted HSPU so working my core)
While you don't go down to your shoulders, well I dont get as I am doing it hands on floor, would this cause the same movements?




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That was terribly written....




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I doubt they're dangerous, because you can only technically go as low as the top of your head, so you're probably still taking most of the weight on your shoulders.

If you want to increase your push press then it's all about taking the lift over to the smith machine where you can break the lift down into portions and figure out where you're weakest.




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push press on a smith machine.. :olo: no.




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andyman wrote:
push press on a smith machine.. :olo: no.


Who said anything about a push press in a smith machine? The smith machine is perfect for military presses, especially when you're breaking the motion down to its constituent parts to practice a weak portion of the lift. He's trying to increase his push press, and practicing portions of the lift under control, as you would in a smith, is ideal.

That being said, I've seen your picture, you'd still gain muscle on smith push press, you don't have the mass one needs to be picky about their lifts.




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golden showers? at a beach party last saturday, I was motherfuckingwasted but it was class
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Dropped another 2 pounds in 24 hours...this shit is easy...




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Put one of the babies down?



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:olo:




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My maintence weight is fucking about 500-800 calories higher than most ppl my size. Satan has blessed me with a unique ability to eat massive amounts of food without gaining weight...u mad?...




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it's a good thing human survival wasn't dependent on your wasteful genetics




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My maintence weight is fucking about 500-800 calories higher than most ppl my size. Satan has blessed me with a unique ability to eat massive amounts of food without gaining weight...u mad?...


No wonder you're so tiny.



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0psys wrote:
andyman wrote:
push press on a smith machine.. :olo: no.


Who said anything about a push press in a smith machine? The smith machine is perfect for military presses, especially when you're breaking the motion down to its constituent parts to practice a weak portion of the lift. He's trying to increase his push press, and practicing portions of the lift under control, as you would in a smith, is ideal.

That being said, I've seen your picture, you'd still gain muscle on smith push press, you don't have the mass one needs to be picky about their lifts.


read your original post dude




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"If you want to increase your push press then it's all about taking the lift over to the smith machine where you can break the lift down into portions and figure out where you're weakest."

What part are you having trouble with? The smith is where you break a movement down to target lagging portions of the lift. Just as the above quote explains. The part that says "portions" is very important, because it specifically states in that single word that I'm not talking about performing the original exercise, but that I'm breaking it down into phases and reproducing single elements into a smith exercise. One would be seated during this. They wouldn't be pushing, either, they'd be pressing. Again, it's about breaking down the exercise. Most people are weak push=pressers in the six inches above their head. That's prime territory for the smith.

When I last trained seriously, and I was deadlifting (ie. over 500lbs), I used to perform partials on the smith machine because it allowed me absolute control during the top phase of the lift. That in turn helped me to increase my overall deadlift by strengthening the area in which I was weakest. ie. locking out.

So praise be the the smith, a machine shunned by intermediate gym users who think they know better, but revered by real lifters who know that there's no such thing as a bad piece of equipment.




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PostPosted: 06-15-2012 05:48 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Somebody ban this opsys moron please...




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Don't pretend you don't completely agree with me. I was using you as an example of a real man the other day in reference to you posting a shot of your new born. Don't make me take it back.




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I stopped reading ur post after the first few words...much too long for this type of thread... Narcissistic much?...




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i kinda started working out again

i dont do max lifts because its always the same story with me, my muscles can lift whatever i give them, unfortunately my joints and tendons and shit just tears right off

i'm already 90 % strong as i am able to get so i go for volume and conditioning



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scared? wrote:
I stopped reading ur post after the first few words...much too long for this type of thread... Narcissistic much?...


head on the nail. ouch.




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plained wrote:
i kinda started working out again

i dont do max lifts because its always the same story with me, my muscles can lift whatever i give them, unfortunately my joints and tendons and shit just tears right off

i'm already 90 % strong as i am able to get so i go for volume and conditioning


There's quite a lot of useful supplements for joints and tendons, have you tried any?



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scared? wrote:
I stopped reading ur post after the first few words...much too long for this type of thread... Narcissistic much?...


You missed out on an awesome post. I just read it again and realised I'd temporarily forgotten how awesome the smith is for shoulders.




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0psys wrote:
"If you want to increase your push press then it's all about taking the lift over to the smith machine where you can break the lift down into portions and figure out where you're weakest."

What part are you having trouble with? The smith is where you break a movement down to target lagging portions of the lift. Just as the above quote explains. The part that says "portions" is very important, because it specifically states in that single word that I'm not talking about performing the original exercise, but that I'm breaking it down into phases and reproducing single elements into a smith exercise. One would be seated during this. They wouldn't be pushing, either, they'd be pressing. Again, it's about breaking down the exercise. Most people are weak push=pressers in the six inches above their head. That's prime territory for the smith.

When I last trained seriously, and I was deadlifting (ie. over 500lbs), I used to perform partials on the smith machine because it allowed me absolute control during the top phase of the lift. That in turn helped me to increase my overall deadlift by strengthening the area in which I was weakest. ie. locking out.

So praise be the the smith, a machine shunned by intermediate gym users who think they know better, but revered by real lifters who know that there's no such thing as a bad piece of equipment.


So what's the correlation between your old deadlift and your push press machine? Or was that just fluff?




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So I decided to start running yesterday, what with having an 11 mile run in 4 weeks time. Managed 5k in 27 minutes and today my knees are destroyed (well, hurting anyway). I have wolfed down some good cod liver oil and done some stretches (something I didn't do after my run...naughty) and they are starting to ease a little (due to the streches I guess)

Any tips for breathing when running as I always seem to breath really shallowly and quickly which I know is not good at all...I need to train myself to breath deeply and slowly, but how?




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I would start by breathing deeply and slowly, then work from there.



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andyman wrote:
0psys wrote:
"If you want to increase your push press then it's all about taking the lift over to the smith machine where you can break the lift down into portions and figure out where you're weakest."

What part are you having trouble with? The smith is where you break a movement down to target lagging portions of the lift. Just as the above quote explains. The part that says "portions" is very important, because it specifically states in that single word that I'm not talking about performing the original exercise, but that I'm breaking it down into phases and reproducing single elements into a smith exercise. One would be seated during this. They wouldn't be pushing, either, they'd be pressing. Again, it's about breaking down the exercise. Most people are weak push=pressers in the six inches above their head. That's prime territory for the smith.

When I last trained seriously, and I was deadlifting (ie. over 500lbs), I used to perform partials on the smith machine because it allowed me absolute control during the top phase of the lift. That in turn helped me to increase my overall deadlift by strengthening the area in which I was weakest. ie. locking out.

So praise be the the smith, a machine shunned by intermediate gym users who think they know better, but revered by real lifters who know that there's no such thing as a bad piece of equipment.


So what's the correlation between your old deadlift and your push press machine? Or was that just fluff?


haha, yeah, kind of, I guess. Really I was just trying to illustrate that it's a really useful machine.




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Don Carlos wrote:
So I decided to start running yesterday, what with having an 11 mile run in 4 weeks time. Managed 5k in 27 minutes and today my knees are destroyed (well, hurting anyway). I have wolfed down some good cod liver oil and done some stretches (something I didn't do after my run...naughty) and they are starting to ease a little (due to the streches I guess)

Any tips for breathing when running as I always seem to breath really shallowly and quickly which I know is not good at all...I need to train myself to breath deeply and slowly, but how?



don u have a massive barrel chest no? that usually makes it pretty easy to jog without being winded because of ur big VO max

sounds like ur not conditioned enough to run for long yet

get more conditioned more with moderate weight no-impact circut type training, so you are breathing hard but not huffing and puffing

only breath thru ur nose ey, very very deeply tho



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LawL wrote:
plained wrote:
i kinda started working out again

i dont do max lifts because its always the same story with me, my muscles can lift whatever i give them, unfortunately my joints and tendons and shit just tears right off

i'm already 90 % strong as i am able to get so i go for volume and conditioning


There's quite a lot of useful supplements for joints and tendons, have you tried any?



no i really havent taken any supplements for joints and tendons, basically because i have no worn or weak ones and no discomfort, but when i routinely train heavy these types of injuries occur.

in my mind the only thing that would increase my level of injury proofing would be cell tech.

i'm a pretty small guy, 5'7" or 5'8" (wangs big) with tiny joints (i can be shapely) and when i'm at full strength i'm very pleased with the amount of weight i can handle, when i'm at my peak people always think i'm 30lbs heavier then i am

do have u any personal experience with joint type supps?



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glucosamine is supposed to help but most clients I've trained with never stick with it long enough to find out.



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yes i am familiar with glucosamine i have heard of people taking it for many reasons such as worn out shoulders and knees and for autoimmune type inflammation type stuff associated with glutens and all that

it may work for those things i dont really know , prolly not tho would be my guess

my problem is more like

take a chicken, tie a dumbell with a bunch of 45's on each side to the chicken wings

ok lift!

that shit just tears off

i think thats my problem



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