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Topic: My Thoughts On Q3A
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Monkey
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posted 12-09-1999 10:31 PM
grrrr, i dont think i could give an honest opinion on the game (not that anyone cares anyhow  ), mostly because i pull a flashy 10-70fps with my banshee. i really love the graphics engine, it is definately number 1 on my list, but without lightmaps everything looks all cruddy, al the little special effects go black, maybe its a glitch or something.anyway, its hard to compare when your fps halves every time you get near someone, or the blood goes splatting. but wait, who am i to say something like that? i want the pc to flourish and kick the shit out of consoles  , im tired of games coming out NOW that still run on a 486. kudos, id. -monkey ps-its an honor to post on your thread steed
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EcloSiS
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posted 12-09-1999 10:32 PM
Both Quake3 and UT ROCK!!! If you don't love Q3's awesome deathmatch and UT's awesome CTF you must be smokin' crack? Both these games are off da hook! If you play a ton of Q2 and are looking for something completely new i would recomment UT, but if you are definately a hardcore DM fan Q3 is for you! Lets stop comparing the games and just praise both of them!!! Paul Steed's models ROCK! And UT's art is sweeeeeeet (not ugly!) I just hope they dont show someone gettin gibbed in Quake3 in one of those Parents vs. Video games court cases! hehehe.... Good job from iD and Epic for making the 2 best shooters of the year!!!Oh yea.. Daikatana is coming out the same day as Glaze3d! ------------------
EcloSiS... the one and only ELEET ATLien...
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DEQEAP
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posted 12-09-1999 10:32 PM
I have yet to see or hear what is wrong with Q3A. No one on this board is discussing that, I guess. So, what is this board for? Slamming the guys who made the game, even though you couldn't create a texture to import into the game for the life of you?
It just makes me sad that I have to post rants about the people who are posting. I agree with Mr. Steed that if you like UT or Q3A and come on this board to post totally idiotic remarks about the game and designers, you are a total loser and have no respect for the authors that poured their life into the game.
I have the utmost respect for anyone who can take their own time and turn it into something as wonderful as Quake 3: Arena or Unreal Tournament. If you come on here, or any other Quake forum, or Unreal's forum just to bash the game, then you aren't worth their, or anyones, time.
Please keep this board clean of stupid game, person, or designer bashing remarks because it does absolutely nothing except make me act like a f**king hypocrite, and that really pisses me off.
Now, on to my question: What is sp bad about the bots in Q3A?-Devin Fisher ------------------
Dominus Eques qui est Arma Potentis
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ka0z
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posted 12-09-1999 10:33 PM
First of all, letme say that I have enormous respect for Mr. Steed and I think he's one (if not the one) the most creative and talented [3D] designers out there.I bought UT a few days before I bought Q3:A, and letme tell ya that I thought it was pretty damn good, despite the [tweaked] two-year-old engine. (Btw, the number of models/skins its just laughable compared to Q3:A . When I bought Q3:A on friday I 2simply deleted UT from my computer. That's it. It's a good game, but there is something not for me there. Maybe I'm just so much a blind, close-minded id fan that I cant see other things, but to be sencere I think Q3 is the best biggest, godamn, mad good product to see the light this year (and so far as goes for FPS industry). All those complains about Q3 being unfinished/incomplete its just BS! Yep, BS. id promised an Ultimate DeathMatch Expereience ( UDME?  ), and they delivered. Simply as that. They didnt promise any fancy gametypes, just the old, proven and succeseful formula that is DeathMatch. CTF is just an add-on anyway. But along with this, they bring the most flexible and technologically advanced engine of all times, for all the Mod-freaks out there. The Quake community got too used to the fact that if there is no fancy Mod, the game is incomplete. That's not right, what id promises, id delivers. Nothing more, nothing less. The developers busted their asses during months to bring you the best looking, the most furius gameplay, the most advanced and the most flexible game to ever hit the PC market. The bashing of such an incredible amount of work put in the making of such an amazing game its just lack of respect. It's funny to see how many people think that they could have made Q3:A 'so much better'. Peace people, stop the flames and lets coexist.
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Mr. CruciFX
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posted 12-09-1999 10:35 PM
You know what is the most fun though?Counter-Strike for Half-Life. Now that game is FUN!
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LaPrell
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posted 12-09-1999 10:35 PM
I think it's FINE for id to rely on the modmakers. As someone earlier in the thread pointed out, dozens of diverse mod projects out there will produce far more, and far better, mods than id, or any other company, EVER could on its own. RESULTS: id benefits--everyone must have id's game to play the killer mods, PLUS the pie is divided into smaller pieces than if they enlarged their team to churn out more gamemodes. MODMAKERS benefit--fun of creating, name recognition, AND a resume builder. And, most of all, the players benefit. Think back to all the Q1/Q2 mods--there was something for everyone, and Q3 will spawn more mods, of higher quality, than ever before. Mark ma' damn words.Right now, UT certainly wins for Game Modes. But it loses on quality of engine, quality of art, quality and quantity of models, music, and, most importantly of all, on "feel." You think it's gonna ****ing matter, a few months from now, when we're all playing Loki's new CTF, or Rocket Arena 3, or the new Head Hunters, that Q3 initially looked like a 'rush job'? Hell no. Get the game out, ASAP, and into the hands of the people who will expand it in wild, new, thrilling directions.
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[RR]ASSASIN
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posted 12-09-1999 10:36 PM
hey mr steed does this quallify my sister as the frist Id groupie?
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Renalicious
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posted 12-09-1999 10:37 PM
2x Voodoo2 isn't much better than a banshee dood
The thing that huts the most is 64megs of ram.. I don't think either game runs well on 64. One thing is for sure, 16-bit just not do justice for these games. I mean OMG!! have you seen the difference between 16-bit and 32-bit color? It's unreal! 
Now if we can only get games that come with bump mapping, specular, and stuff like that heh ~~~
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Syclone
The Illuminated
 Posts: 1941
Registered: Dec 1999 |
posted 12-09-1999 10:38 PM 
You have to realize everybody likes an underdog, so everybody wants the leader to fall. Look at it like rock stars. Once they make it big, they aren't "cool" anymore, and have sold out for money. Not always the case, but some people think it is cooler to tear something down than to enjoy a good thing.I personally like both games a lot. I love Q3 though, for all the little things. I love the style. I love the guttiness. I love the skill it takes to be good. I think id has gotten a bad rap for not being innovative, while UT is lauded for its weapons, etc. Well, nearly all UT weapons are the same as Unreals, or have close links to other fps guns. Is this bad? No. It is just kinda funny to watch people talk about how high and mighty the decision was to take a risk on new guns, which aren't really new. I'll play both games, and have a blast doing so. I also know which is my primary game right now, and it is mostly for the feel of it. Am I totally happy with Q3? No, there are several things I hope get fixed. Am I surprised that the game isn't EXACTLY what I want? No, because I doubt there will ever be that game, and if it was exactly what I wanted, somebody else would hate it for the same reasons it was perfect for me. I also see how you would not have any desire to play UT. If I designed Chevy's for a living, I doubt I'd go out and buy a Ford, just because somebody told me it rode nice Anyway, to stop this ramble thanks for the game. I don't think you have to do anything to defend it or your company. On the other hand, your post will be taken out of context and twisted so many ways, you want recognize it by in the morning
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DEQEAP
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posted 12-09-1999 10:41 PM
So, is anyone going to post problems/complaints about the game? Feelings are all nice and happy, but what about actual problems?-Devin Fisher
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Monkey
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posted 12-09-1999 10:43 PM
yeah... well banshees suck
and let me tell you something, memory in this game made a .6 fps difference for me, seriously. it defaults at 56 and i bumped it up to 100 (i have 128) and i averaged a .6 fps increase. what a crock , i bought this nice crucial memory just to get faster games dammit. well maybe steed has an idea
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buzter
Recruit
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Registered: Nov 2001 |
posted 12-09-1999 10:45 PM 
Now, I have been an avid quake fan since quake 1 came out. I have gone on to play in mult. clans....etc...etc... All I really have to say on this is: everyone WILL have an opinion on what they like and don't like. I know that I like quake 3. The game rocks. The "feel" of the game is just right for me -- so I play it. But, I also know what I don't like about it. Some of the weapons I think are a little uninspired. Some of the maps could have used some more work. No game is perfect. Also, in my opinion, there are a lot of things that UT does a lot better. I like its weapons better...etc...etc...that is why I play it. And, there are things I don't like. The maps seem to be a little plain looking. Mostly grey with the colors coming from lights that have no traceable source. They are both AMAZING games. They are both DIFFERENT, and I play them BOTH for different reasons. It's like comparing apples to oranges, and frankly it acomplishes nothing. Well, maybe it does acomplish SOMETHING: it makes a whole bunch of ppl mad and start flaming each other.
As for Steeds post. I believe what he said. I also believe he may have been a little cranky(for lack of a better word) with ppl in the post. But, in my OPINION, it was because he was TIRED of the way the community, part of it anyways, was responding to all of this. Oh, btw, statistics show that the majority of players are children -- children defined as under 18. To all of you adults -- the ones that are not flaming ppl -- and to all you "children" -- who are not flaming ppl I commend you. To all of those that are just sending out ranting flames--from BOTH SIDES -- ask youself what good does it acomplish?buzter
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Renalicious
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posted 12-09-1999 10:45 PM
I think all the problems that have to be fixed are already being fixed like the score board, and such... There aren't really that many problems I can think of.
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DEQEAP
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posted 12-09-1999 10:47 PM
*sigh*-Devin Fisher
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Disco2
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posted 12-09-1999 10:48 PM
Bwahahaha, I half-expected a Q3A vs. XtremeGumChewing thread =).-Disco2
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Monkey
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posted 12-09-1999 10:53 PM
rofl! i think we need a message board just for teasing headgames... its becoming a pastime all across america . i think xtreme gumchewing is a little boring tho, lets go with xtreme rockgardening instead. woohoo! um, quake3 quake3 quake3.. blah
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Rents
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posted 12-09-1999 11:01 PM
For me, the thing that soured my view of id was when Brian Hook stated "Quake 3 is going to OWN the deathmatch market" (i believe this was on his column hosted by voodoo extreme). This type of write-off isn't welcome in this industry, but I do realise you other id employees have worked damn hard, while respecting the other companies' hard work, and that's what I now respect.
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Disco2
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posted 12-09-1999 11:14 PM
XtremeChiaPet[This message has been edited by Disco2 (edited 12-09-1999).]
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KingBishop
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posted 12-09-1999 11:16 PM
I love Quake3.
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Bittoman
Grunt
 Posts: 72
Registered: Dec 1999 |
posted 12-09-1999 11:19 PM
XtremeMessageBoarding
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DarkSpew
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posted 12-09-1999 11:22 PM
Sorry Mr. Steed, I just don't buy it. You, believe it or not, are a movie star. You are a rock star. You are a politician (sp?). Millions of people read your words. With fame and fortune unfortunately comes a price. That price being you can't just publicly voice any opinion you feel like without bringing repercussions upon yourself. Of course its OK to have your own opinion, but to publicly voice such controvercial opinions as these? If you get a backlash, it's your own fault. In my book slandering is slandering. You may have well said you are a white supremecist racist in a public forum and bashed some minority group. Or said that you think the government should go to hell and we should take up arms to revolt. As a celebrity, you, sir, have a responsibility to temper your public opinions with tact. Not only do you not do this, you slander UT once again by calling its art Crap (of course its your opinion, we're not stupid) and slandering the public in general, the millions of people who read your words by calling them children. I don't know about you, but if I found out that a director of a movie thought all blacks should die, I probably would not go to see his movie. Even if it was only his opinion and it was supposed to be good. You have not gone to this extreme obviously and so I will not quit playing Q3, but you, and the public, get to hear my rant against your lack of responsibilty.
On another note, I have news for you. Maybe when Atari came out it was mostly children who played computer games, but now, you'll find that many adults appreciate them for the artform they are as well. Maybe the majority of your readers are kids, but I doubt it. Even so, there are enough of us between the ages of 25 and 40 who can recognize that computer games are no longer just for kids and who appreciate them for the next true art form. Just like movies. Also, as games have acquired a much broader audience, you will find people who like more than just one game going to different forums. I like and own both Q3 and UT. That means I go to both forums. I also like Wheel of Time. I also go to that forum. But wait, I don't like all the games equally. In fact, I like UT a bit better at this point because of its polish. I admire Q3 a ton for a top notch graphic engine (could you please fix the sky and make halos in the next patch? It won't slow it down too much, it doesn't slow UT down. Then it will be absolutely perfect). Because Q3 is not my all time favorite game, does that mean that I can't post on its forum. Geez, was Star Wars episode one your favorite movie? would you feel qualms about posting on its forum? I'm a nobody in the games industry (yet) and so it is more acceptable for me to voice my opinion on the subject no matter how unpopular. Those stupid mindless Q3 bashing posts like UT Rox and Q3 Sux could not have elicited this response from you. I'm sure you have ignored them with the rest of us. No, it is those posts which realistically compare the two games and have intelligent and valid comments which has enfuriated you enough to say, why are you even posting on this board? What you think this board is exclusive or something? ANYONE can get to this board from a variety of links and if those anyones post an intelligent comment even if it does not evangelize Q3, I think they have more than a right to be here. If you don't like the moronic posts, ignore them. It's the cost of being so accesible. But, by all means, read the posts, the good and the bad. Forums like these are a godsend for game developers because they are free market research.
Please, as a celebrity and a human being you have a duty to be a positive role model to all of those kids who do read your words. Go talk to Michael Jordan and ask him what he has to say about it. He has a lot of experience in PR.
Finally, please don't let this experience embitter you towards making games. It is not just a job. You are directly participating in history, just like charlie chaplin and the rest. That should be a reward in itself beyond the pure dollars. Rise above the childness in others and in yourself and revel in what you have accomplished. Lay off the epic team (you should probably publicly apologize to them for your ill-considered comments and follow-up). And for christ sake, play UT, even if you have to hold your nose! If you don't know what your competition's doing, how can you improve upon it. Maybe you'll gain some incite into what these crazy reviewers and gamers are saying!
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Simon Garlick
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posted 12-09-1999 11:25 PM
In this industry you're only as good as your last game. That means, until their next game, id are THE MASTERS of competitive online gaming
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KnightBK
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posted 12-09-1999 11:30 PM
To come on here and flame id Soft is disrespectful to the great games they made AND it is disrespectful to Epic and the great games they make, because it causes shitty little conflicts like this one that make everybody involved look like dicks in the end. Now for a different point: I can never get over the fact that as soon as a developer or somebody of repute opens his mouth (in this case Steed) everybody is quick to jump on that guy and read shit into everything he says. This happened 2 years ago in the .plan wars. I loved reading those .plans because they were fun to read. But as always, some dipshit read too much into them and got "offended". Why the hell can't these people (Steed in this case) have opinions? And if they can't have an opinion, why the hell should the dipshits that can't even piss straight, have an opinion? God some people are pathetic. Steed: I love your work. I love your game and I love the way you say what you want to say. I wish we could bring back your .plans because they kicked ass. Keep up the great work at id software, and remember, the bitches who complain are in a VERY small minority. Quake 3 Rocks man. Congrats on a job VERY well done.
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Bittoman
Grunt
Posts: 72
Registered: Dec 1999 |
posted 12-09-1999 11:31 PM
I think Paul's attitude is quite clear...if someone started calling my children names and attacking it, I would retaliate. I do agree that tact is necessary, but not once did I find what he said to be inappropriate or uncalled for.
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e_T
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posted 12-09-1999 11:42 PM
STEED, damn I love that name, reminds
me of The Avengers, ahh youre probably
too young to remember "This thread has renewed my faith you people are a very insightful and very considerate group"
That and lot of people with brains dont sit
in here getting super riled up by little
losers with nothing better to do than
post crap.
I spend my time making a Q3 map in QER "A brush in the right place can change history"
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forlorn soul
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posted 12-09-1999 11:45 PM
DarkSpew: Get a hold of yourself. You sound extremely unintelligent and threatened. Steed is not a movie star or a rock star. He makes goddamn computer games and hopes others will like it. If you don't, the **** off.
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forlorn soul
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posted 12-09-1999 11:46 PM
DarkSpew: Get a hold of yourself. You sound extremely unintelligent and threatened. Steed is not a movie star or a rock star. He makes goddamn computer games and hopes others will like it. If you don't, then **** off.
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DarkSpew
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posted 12-09-1999 11:47 PM
He flamed UT and epic. As a collegue of theres, that was uncalled for, even if it was only his opinion. He takes offence at people flaming Q3 on this public board, but at the same time, he flames UT on it. Think man.
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GoEsInYa{WaR}
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posted 12-09-1999 11:52 PM
Man well here I sit reading this incredible thread. Sycone,dude you took the words right out of my mouth bro. Paul and Id guys thanks It's about f@#$ing time man. I don't know about everyone else man, but I was checking every freaking day to see when Q3Arena was going to be released or at least the Demo. I had to go find the tour bus in three different places just so I could keep from gibbing the people at McDonalds and the Post office. I was playing both the Q3Arena test and the UT beta. Giving both the same amout of time. When the games came out I was the first one in line for both titles. Both are superb freaking games but in reality what is
UT but an DOOM/Quake ID clone. Which cam e first the chicken or the egg hmmmmmmmmmmm. I wonder. Hi my name is Goesinya my friends call me Goesi and I'm a Computer game addict it all started with doom. I played on DWANGO a real kewl Dail-up with a local server in major cities. On my 486 66Mhz and my 14.4 modem. Man where those the days hours upon hours of pure Fragging. So I guess I'm A little bias lol Now Paul I know that in your reality that "Making games today really is a no win scenario" I$ complete B$! I know your proud of your work $cha-ching$ and that know incredibly phat wallet is you know that one that doesn't allow you to fit thourgh normal doorways. ROTF!!! and if this is true then I want to be a loser just like you man. hehehehe $cha-ching$ $cha-ching$ Oh yeah before I forget, hey [RR]ASSASIN
Why don't you post your sister's pic 36-24-36 man oh man schwing hehehe. your kidding right. Tell her I'm sorry but I don't drive a F-40 but I don't need to make up for my small manly hood. Hi little John. =) lol hehehehe
Oh Pual i have a question and maybe you have an answer I know your busy and all that but
I have to use cg_forcemodel 1 so that I can get decent framerates bro I mean everyone is of course using a different one of your freaking kick ass models so I get extreme shit for starting an online game and the scoreboard is freaking the pits man. I mean the snapshots sometimes take a good 10 mins it seems wtf I put it on force models and boom I'm in man with quickness and I get a 100% fps boost man what can I do so I can use all your models I mean I would like to man. Heres my computer config PIII500, TNT2 32mb, 64MB ram. any sugestions more memory maybe?
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GameTraveler
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posted 12-09-1999 11:55 PM
Oh...UT is bug free? What was listed for the latest 402 _patch_?Anyway, why is it that gamer's take every word so personally? Magazines, and web pages have statistics on gamers that say that they're between 19-25, have so much money, account for 14% of the gaming community, yet spend 52% of the money? And even then, for the most part, compared to him, many of the gamers are just that...kids...he's older than many of you, but just doesn't show it...heck, did you note that he said something about watching his kid? He's got a generic comment in a personal opinion. He's entitled to have, based on his experience and his views. So far, he's stated that he is only expressing his opinion, and it's in a public forum. Professional statements made by a company are issued in, get this, _press releases_...
If PS were to make a statement as a professional, then it'd have to be as his current job position, and that would have to be a direct word from Id. The last time anyone started doing stuff like that, got a major smack down at the offices...of course, this can't be proven since BH nor anyone else will say that it happened at all.
UT is nice to look at and still has it's network issues to work out. Hopefully, the fixes now and later won't diminish the playability that people are getting out of the game. For UT, bandwidth will be a bottle neck.
As for Q3a...well, the client computer will be the bottleneck, since to achieve it's pretty looks, has caused the bar on equipment requirements to rise again. The timing is bad, since RAM is still the most expensive part of the computer. Heck, I can find a .25/.26 19" Viewsonic monitor for less than the cost of 128 MB of RAM! I'm not grumbling that I'll have to upgrade, as that was gonna happen anyway. I am having an problem with the timing tho...since this is the Xmas season, and it was tough enough to squeeze the money out for a cable modem connection. (yeah, poor me...nya nya nya...to all the other HPBs out there...).
UT...playable out of the box, but not as mod friendly from what I hear. Q3a, solo DM out of the box, and geared towards mods and customization. ------------------
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I am Vandal
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posted 12-10-1999 12:02 AM
Quake 3 is the same old shit.
I am grateful for that because it ROCKS hard.------------------
[This message has been edited by I am Vandal (edited 12-10-1999).]
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DarkSpew
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posted 12-10-1999 12:09 AM
As Mr. Steed's original post is being published all across the world, doesn't it qualify as something of a press release. Also, doesn't his professional title appear underneath his name? If he wanted to post unprofessionally, he should have logged on under an alias.
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killdog
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posted 12-10-1999 12:12 AM
I'm 40. I've been playing id games since '94...Pure deathmatch. Pure fun. Pure quality. keep em comin'WOOHOO! the shit is good, thanx for making such a fun product!!
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DarkSpew
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posted 12-10-1999 12:18 AM
Correction, his ID title does not appear under his name. Even so, does it matter. If Mark Maguire (sp?) flamed Sammy Sosa without provocation in public and it wasn't a team press release, don't you think he would get backlash?
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jilted
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posted 12-10-1999 12:23 AM
hehehe
this is such a good post.
nice one steed.this brings me back to the days when people used to fight about q1 and duke.
hehehe
omg what was the point there?
q3a is the best game i have ever played.
ut is not a bad game but i agree with steed on the fact that it just doesnt 'feel' right.
i have grown up with the quake fps's and all the others just don't feel right.
they may taste like chicken but that doesnt mean they are chicken.
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i am jilted
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