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mjrpes
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Posted: 02-10-2005 12:36 AM

you know, when Turb would say he had to prune threads, did he completely throw away the pruned threads or did he keep a backup?

just asking, cause it would be nice to create a massive db of the complete history of q3w.

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dmmh
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Posted: 02-10-2005 12:56 AM

pruning means the records were purged from the DB tables, otherwise there would be no use (no speed increase)

dunno if he made backups, but default BB style is just to delete the records and afaik you dont even have a backup option installed by default, so he would have had to do it manually

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SplishSplash
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Posted: 02-10-2005 01:25 AM

People should stop whining about q3w history or their 'oh so awesome' level editing faqs. The game's been dead for years, guys.

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4days
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Posted: 02-10-2005 01:47 AM

yeah splish, and no-one's doing anything else with the same tech anymore are they?

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glossy
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Posted: 02-10-2005 02:19 AM

iirc, the archives were still online, but you had to know the exact link to the archived thread... someone should be able to help us out with this.

the archives stuck around because they weren't in the DB, but in seperate, saved .html files

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U4EA
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Posted: 02-10-2005 02:34 AM

There is no DB in UBB. It was all flat files. Standard thread pages were static html updated everytime someone made a post.

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dmmh
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Posted: 02-10-2005 02:39 AM

lol. I forgot about that

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glossy
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Posted: 02-10-2005 03:52 AM

U4EA wrote:
There is no DB in UBB. It was all flat files. Standard thread pages were static html updated everytime someone made a post.

flat-file db

but you're mostly correct, the actual posts were stored as HTML until updated, but were inaccessable when the listings went offline. the archives run in a completely different directory thingymabob.

afaik, anyway.

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U4EA
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Posted: 02-10-2005 04:00 AM

Not sure what you mean by "normal posts" being inaccessible, but all existing threads can still be accessed .. case in point -> http://www.quake3world.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/023541.html

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glossy
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Posted: 02-10-2005 04:06 AM

I meant, (keeping in mind this is just on user-side observance):
user details stored in flat-file DB
post listing details (like the GD listing) stored in DB
actual post stored in HTML on server
archives stored in HTML on some other bit of the server

my point was if the DB goes kaput, you can't go to the GD listing (cgi page) and you can't reach the posts unless you already know the url, and you can't post in the threads (no topic listing DB and no user checking DB).

archives are designed not to ever be posted in, so it works as it should (except for linking outside the archives) -- although, i'm unsure if the archived topic listings work or not but i wouldn't think so...

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U4EA
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Posted: 02-10-2005 04:09 AM

You can hit up all the q3w threads in google as well.

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mjrpes
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Posted: 02-10-2005 08:14 AM

SplishSplash wrote:
People should stop whining about q3w history or their 'oh so awesome' level editing faqs. The game's been dead for years, guys.

whoa there, nelly!

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eepberries
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Posted: 02-10-2005 08:39 AM

SplishSplash wrote:
People should stop whining about q3w history or their 'oh so awesome' level editing faqs. The game's been dead for years, guys.

Shut it cunt. When Quake 3 goes open sauce, it'll be a whole new deal.

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you know, when Turb would say he had to prune threads, did he completely throw away the pruned threads or did he keep a backup? just asking, cause it would be nice to create a massive db of the complete history of q3w.

pruning means the records were purged from the DB tables, otherwise there would be no use (no speed increase) dunno if he made backups, but default BB style is just to delete the records and afaik you dont even have a backup option installed by default, so he would have had to do it manually

People should stop whining about q3w history or their 'oh so awesome' level editing faqs. The game's been dead for years, guys.

yeah splish, and no-one's doing anything else with the same tech anymore are they?

iirc, the archives were still online, but you had to know the exact link to the archived thread... someone should be able to help us out with this. the archives stuck around because they weren't in the DB, but in seperate, saved .html files

There is no DB in UBB. It was all flat files. Standard thread pages were static html updated everytime someone made a post.

lol. I forgot about that

Not sure what you mean by "normal posts" being inaccessible, but all existing threads can still be accessed .. case in point -> http://www.quake3world.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/023541.html

You can hit up all the q3w threads in google as well.

SplishSplash wrote:People should stop whining about q3w history or their 'oh so awesome' level editing faqs. The game's been dead for years, guys. whoa there, nelly!

SplishSplash wrote:People should stop whining about q3w history or their 'oh so awesome' level editing faqs. The game's been dead for years, guys. Shut it cunt. When Quake 3 goes open sauce, it'll be a whole new deal.

you know, when Turb would say he had to prune threads, did he completely throw away the pruned threads or did he keep a backup?

just asking, cause it would be nice to create a massive db of the complete history of q3w.

pruning means the records were purged from the DB tables, otherwise there would be no use (no speed increase)

dunno if he made backups, but default BB style is just to delete the records and afaik you dont even have a backup option installed by default, so he would have had to do it manually

iirc, the archives were still online, but you had to know the exact link to the archived thread... someone should be able to help us out with this.

the archives stuck around because they weren't in the DB, but in seperate, saved .html files

SplishSplash wrote:
People should stop whining about q3w history or their 'oh so awesome' level editing faqs. The game's been dead for years, guys.

whoa there, nelly!

SplishSplash wrote:
People should stop whining about q3w history or their 'oh so awesome' level editing faqs. The game's been dead for years, guys.

Shut it cunt. When Quake 3 goes open sauce, it'll be a whole new deal.