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Canadian Shaft
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PostPosted: 10-26-2016 07:21 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


xer0s wrote:
Well that's the thing. When they do these polls, they're asking these people over the phone, while they're sitting at home. On Election Day, you actually have to get up off your ass and go to the booth. And the fact is, Republicans historically are the ones that get out and actually vote when it matters and the left usually has less of a turnout. So the polls you're seeing now really may not represent the results on November 8th. And the margin of error is still small enough to make it a very tight race. It's scary.

Again, I hate both Trump and Clinton...

Usually the Republicans have a well organized ground game but that's not the case this year. The Democrats have a strong and well organized get out the vote effort and there will be many voters who are highly motivated to stop Trump from being elected.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/tru ... e-problem/

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As the presidential election marathon breaks into a final sprint, the Trump campaign faces a jaw-dropping gap in the ground game: Hillary Clinton currently has more than three times the number of campaign offices in critical states than does Donald Trump. Those figures include both Trump offices and Republican National Committee victory offices, as confirmed by the Trump campaign.

The contrast is a test for the conventional campaign model and points to the candidates’ stark differences in methods. Clinton is cleaving to the data-driven, on-the-ground machine that won two elections for Barack Obama. Trump, on the other hand, insists he does not need traditional campaign tactics to win the election, pointing to his overwhelming nomination victory achieved with a relatively small team and little spending.

Nevertheless, the ground game is poised to be critical in 2016. Undecided voters are becoming scarce, and targeted turnout may be the deciding factor on Nov. 8. That usually requires field offices with phone banks, organized volunteers and a coordinated effort to knock on doors and get people to the polls.

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PostPosted: 10-26-2016 07:27 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


I invite any of the (couple?) Trump supporters here to list the things that will make Trump a good president.




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PostPosted: 10-26-2016 07:30 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


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PostPosted: 10-26-2016 09:44 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


yes, we get it: Trump is the channel for a backlash against global capitalism and the elites who profit from it

if you support this backlash (and there are good reasons for doing so, assuming you care about democracy) then Drumpf is the nightmare candidate: the guy whose antics help to de-legtimise that very backlash and allow all the Shillarys and neoliberal arsewipes to paint the whole thing as "rage" or "racism" or "the last hurrah of the white male" or whatever




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PostPosted: 10-26-2016 10:53 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Hey dumbo... Earlier votes went to Romney in 2012... Early votes always swing Republican... Get some context dipshit....

Also...endingthefed.com? Lol morons...




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PostPosted: 10-26-2016 11:08 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Memphis wrote:
So, Shillery will win 'cos identity politics. K :dts:

No, she'll win because of our broken 2-party system.



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PostPosted: 10-26-2016 11:14 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


seremtan wrote:

Meanwhile Texas is in play for Dems this year, which is new. Keep in mind that typically early voters lean red, with blue votes coming in closer and closer to election day. So the gap will narrow and possibly even flip on the 8th.



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PostPosted: 10-26-2016 11:37 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


seremtan wrote:

that's dated October 5th.

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from an hour ago ^




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PostPosted: 10-26-2016 11:39 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


LOL, like I was saying. :olo:



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PostPosted: 10-26-2016 12:14 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Hillary is doing way better than Obama did in 2012 early voting...




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PostPosted: 10-26-2016 12:36 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


what's the deal with early voting anyway? does everything have to have a trailer?




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PostPosted: 10-26-2016 01:46 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:
I invite any of the (couple?) Trump supporters here to list the things that will make Trump a good president.

i can't think of a single thing.




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PostPosted: 10-26-2016 02:05 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Memphis wrote:
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:
i can't think of a single thing.


That's your failing then. Buckle-up buckaroo :|


:yawn:
I'm waiting to be enlightened...




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PostPosted: 10-26-2016 02:13 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


he is ahead in fla!



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Memphis wrote:
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:
i can't think of a single thing.


That's your failing then. Buckle-up buckaroo :|

Can you succeed where he failed?



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PostPosted: 10-27-2016 04:57 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


here comes trouble!



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PostPosted: 10-27-2016 05:06 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Memphis wrote:
That's your failing then.


I too await most anxiously the arguments for Trump over Clinton.



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PostPosted: 10-27-2016 05:11 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


incoming youtube video! :alert:




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PostPosted: 10-27-2016 08:28 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


incoming egg on face! :alert:




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PostPosted: 10-27-2016 08:33 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


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PostPosted: 10-27-2016 02:35 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


I could tell you now but I'm going to wait until something that's never going to happen, happens. How convenient. Not feeling emboldened enough yet?




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PostPosted: 10-27-2016 02:44 PM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Rapey, gross shut-in lacks the confidence to explain his point of view, shocking.




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PostPosted: 10-27-2016 02:48 PM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


If it doesn't happen he can explain his thinking of why it was going to.

Don't forget - Brexit wasn't going to happen either. All the experts and polls etc said "Nope". Then people voted for reals...




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PostPosted: 10-27-2016 03:15 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Don Carlos wrote:

Don't forget - Brexit wasn't going to happen either. All the experts and polls etc said "Nope". Then people voted for reals...


Although true that it was the popular opinion, its not quite the same is it ?. Not long before the Tories took victory with a landslide - something the polls.never predicted whilst (thanks to the fptp system) UKIP were left with 1 seat with farage losing thanet south. They gained in the popular vote but this seemed to be more a backlash against the lib dems.

Brexit had a good rhetoric, a faceless institution of rule makers with little defence from anyone. Trump on the other hand has shown himself to be just as incompetent as those twats, being one of them and has managed to offend everyone that isnt a white working class male.

And the polls did predict it, i gave a thread with running commentry :), I believe i was arguing with semen about it.

Found it

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=52048&p=1022700&hilit=goodbye+europe#p1022700



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losCHUNK wrote:
the Tories took victory with a landslide


"landslide" :olo:

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LMAO @ anyone who thinks Trump isn't part of the establishment.




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I'm quite certain it will be lost on you but here's a good article...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nomi-prin ... 27244.html

How anyone who has even the most marginal awareness of Trump over the last several decades could see him as anti-establishment is beyond me.

Also he's has a record as long as the Great Wall of China as a liar who ONLY ever acts in his own self interest. If he somehow got elected he wouldn't do squat for non-rich people.




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Memphis wrote:
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:
LMAO @ anyone who thinks Trump isn't part of the establishment.


Oh, no. There's no media/political/special interest bias against Trump whatsoever is there. No, no, no :dts:

Um there is media/political/special interest bias against Clinton too. (is this your first election campaign?) I suppose she isn't part of the establishment either.

What a rube.




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Memphis wrote:
Oh, no. There's no media/political/special interest bias against Trump whatsoever is there. No, no, no :dts:


Dude, media sells newspapers / pageviews / ads / etc. It seems you think their motto is 'report the truth objectively' when it really is 'report what you think is the truth in the most entertaining way'.

What do you even mean with a media bias against Trump? From where i'm sitting they spent 6 months building him up because Trump related news sells (someone calculated how much free ads it translated to, can't recall but it was mental) - and now they're finally calling his bullshit. As they should, for it's utter utter bullshit.



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not part of the establishment, okay... :olo: :rolleyes:




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Memphis wrote:
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:
not part of the establishment, okay... :olo: :rolleyes:


How can you make such solid connections from a couple photographs, yet be able to completely dismiss any of the well documented concerns about the Clintons? :dts:

I dismissed nothing about the Clintons. The point is, Trump is a plutocrat just like them. Look at his history ffs. It's more than just photos. :rolleyes:




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On Wednesday, Donald Trump came to Washington. It was not his first visit.

Trump plays the political outsider. “Washington is broken,” he declared in Iowa in January as he positioned himself to run. But he has been a Washington insider longer than almost any of his rivals.

Since the 1980s, he has lavished both parties with money. He’s employed D.C. lobbyists and aggressive tactics to influence politicians and further his business interests. He’s become comfortable enough with Washington to buy a nearby golf course and develop a hotel on Pennsylvania Avenue, blocks from the White House, in conjunction with the federal government.

Even as he rails against corruption in American politics, his long history with Washington and lobbying raises questions about his promises to change the system of influence-peddling he has participated in for decades.

“I don’t fault him for having to work within the system that he’s dealt,” said former Republican Rep. Chris Shays, who met with Trump a decade ago over the businessman’s efforts to expand gambling in Connecticut. “I’d fault him for implying that somehow he’s different, because there’s nothing different about him.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/d ... z4OOSfWItu
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Not part of the establishment, yeah okay...




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Canadian Shaft
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Memphis wrote:
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:
I dismissed nothing about the Clintons. The point is, Trump is a plutocrat just like them. Look at his history ffs. It's more than just photos. :rolleyes:


Hillary has openly stated, if she is President, she will attack Iran. As per the neo-con plan (and who are all 'for her', btw).

Trump has stated he wants less war, as far as allying with Russia against ISIS. Now, one can argue that one is full of shit, but how is that any reason to side with the admitted warmonger?

Which is better? Electing someone who you can then say 'OI, you said no war!', vs 'Well, you were told, so bombs away!'

:|

Nice attempt at a pivot. Hillary would be proud of you. So your argument is that Trump is good because he's not Hillary. I agree with you about her. The problem is, Trump is no different. LOL at anyone who believes anything he says. Like I said, you're a rube.




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PostPosted: 10-28-2016 07:27 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Is a crisis of conscience too far out to be believable to the great unwashed?

Not sure you recognise what's referred to by 'the establishment' tbh. Follow the money, not the narrative.[/quote]
exactly. follow the money. can you not read?

here's the rest of that article (follow the money)

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Veteran Republican lobbyist Charlie Black, whose old firm Black, Manafort, Stone and Kelly represented Trump for over a decade, called Trump’s anti-Washington, anti-lobbyist rhetoric “ironic.”

“I like the guy, but he’s never been allergic to lobbyists before this year,” Black said.

The New York developer first employed Washington lobbyist Roger Stone, a veteran of Richard Nixon’s and Ronald Reagan’s presidential campaigns and partner of Black’s, as early as 1980, according to Stone’s recollection.

Stone said he views Trump’s political contributions tied to lobbying efforts -- on everything from the height of his buildings to slots for his planes at Washington’s Reagan National Airport and tribal recognition for would-be Native American casino operators -- as a necessary part of doing business.

“It’s not that there’s a quid pro quo, but they don’t even listen to you unless you’re a donor,” said Stone, who left Trump’s presidential campaign last month under disputed circumstances but continues to support his candidacy and maintains that Trump’s wealth gives him an independence that makes him more likely to reform the political system than his rivals.

A Trump spokeswoman did not respond to multiple requests for comment.

In 1987, Trump’s status as a Washington insider was cemented when Democrats decided they wanted a piece of the then-Republican developer’s money and his Reagan-era, rich-guy swagger. Democratic Speaker of the House Jim Wright visited Trump in New York and asked him to host the Democratic Congressional dinner, the DCCC’s largest fundraising event of the year.

Then-Sen. John Kerry ‑- architect of the Iran deal Trump came to Washington on Wednesday to condemn and whose bicycling hobby Trump regularly mocks – called Trump to ask him consider hosting the dinner.

''He sees Trump as an independent thinker who can put this thing together,” explained a Kerry spokesman at the time.

The Democratic wooing was not in vain.

By 1993, when Democrats took control of the White House, Trump’s allegiance had shifted with the political winds, and he paid $15,000 for a table at the dinner. That year he gave $5,000 to the defense fund of Democratic Rep. Dan Rostenkowski of Illinois after U.S. Attorney Eric Holder indicted him on corruption charges (Rostenkowski would plead guilty and later received a pardon from President Bill Clinton).

Also that year, lawmakers from Nevada arranged for Trump to meet with Democratic Speaker of the House Thomas Foley (Wright had resigned the speakership amid an ethics investigation) and various committee chairmen in an effort to limit the rise of Native American-run casinos, including one proposed operation in New Jersey, which threatened Trump’s gambling interests in Atlantic City.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/d ... z4OOU6Kxu8



also are you saying he's had a crisis of conscience? :olo: :olo: :olo: :olo: :olo:




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