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Welfare Recipient
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PostPosted: 10-20-2017 01:02 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Trump reminds me of some of the morons I have destroyed in here over the years...




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Etile
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PostPosted: 10-20-2017 02:02 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


yeah, rich and powerful

two things you'll never be, dumb0 :olo:




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good lord you are thick as a brick




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Talking Points Brought to Trump Tower Meeting Were Shared With Kremlin

By SHARON LaFRANIERE and ANDREW E. KRAMEROCT. 27, 2017

Natalia V. Veselnitskaya arrived at a meeting at Trump Tower in June 2016 hoping to interest top Trump campaign officials in the contents of a memo she believed contained information damaging to the Democratic Party and, by extension, Hillary Clinton. The material was the fruit of her research as a private lawyer, she has repeatedly said, and any suggestion that she was acting at the Kremlin’s behest that day is anti-Russia “hysteria.”

But interviews and records show that in the months before the meeting, Ms. Veselnitskaya had discussed the allegations with one of Russia’s most powerful officials, the prosecutor general, Yuri Y. Chaika. And the memo she brought with her closely followed a document that Mr. Chaika’s office had given to an American congressman two months earlier, incorporating some paragraphs verbatim.

The coordination between the Trump Tower visitor and the Russian prosecutor general undercuts Ms. Veselnitskaya’s account that she was a purely independent actor when she sat down with Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law, and Paul J. Manafort, then the Trump campaign chairman. It also suggests that emails from an intermediary to the younger Mr. Trump promising that Ms. Veselnitskaya would arrive with information from Russian prosecutors were rooted at least partly in fact — not mere “puffery,” as the president’s son later said.

In the past week, Ms. Veselnitskaya’s allegations — that major Democratic donors were guilty of financial fraud and tax evasion — have been embraced at the highest levels of the Russian government. President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia repeated her charges at length last week at an annual conference of Western academics. A state-run television network recently made them the subject of two special reports, featuring interviews with Ms. Veselnitskaya and Mr. Chaika.

The matching messages point to a synchronized information campaign. Like some other Russian experts, Stephen Blank, a senior fellow with the nonprofit American Foreign Policy Council in Washington, said they indicate that Ms. Veselnitskaya’s actions “were coordinated from the very top.”

The Trump Tower meeting is of keen interest to the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, as he investigates Russian efforts to help Mr. Trump’s campaign. At least one participant at the meeting has already testified before a federal grand jury.

Ms. Veselnitskaya declined to be interviewed, saying in an email that The New York Times had published “lies and false claims.”

The memo that Ms. Veselnitskaya brought to the Trump Tower meeting alleged that Ziff Brothers Investments, an American firm, had illegally purchased shares in a Russian company and evaded tens of millions of dollars of Russian taxes. The company was the financial vehicle of three billionaire brothers, two of them major donors to Democratic candidates including Mrs. Clinton. By implication, Ms. Veselnitskaya, said, those political contributions were tainted by “stolen” money.

Kremlin officials viewed the charges as extremely significant. The Ziff brothers had invested in funds managed by William F. Browder, an American-born financier and fierce Kremlin foe. Mr. Browder was the driving force behind a 2012 law passed by Congress imposing sanctions on Russian officials for human rights abuses.

The law, known as the Magnitsky Act, froze Western bank accounts of officials on the sanctions list – including Mr. Chaika’s deputy — and banned them from entering the United States. It was named after Sergei L. Magnitsky, a tax lawyer who had worked for Mr. Browder and who died in a Moscow jail after exposing a massive fraud scheme involving Russian officials.

In his speech to Western academics at a Black Sea resort last week, Mr. Putin said that American authorities had ignored the allegations against Mr. Browder and his investors because the Ziff brothers were major political donors. “They protect themselves in this way,” he said.

A spokesman for Ziff Brothers Investments declined to comment. Mr. Browder said the charges were concocted to discredit him and to undermine the Magnitsky Act sanctions.

How Ms. Veselnitskaya’s allegations made their way to the upper reaches of the Russian government, and then to Trump campaign, is a tangled tale. A former prosecutor for the Moscow regional government, Ms. Veselnitskaya lives and works in Moscow but has traveled frequently to the United States in recent years, partly to lobby against the Magnitsky Act.

She was also the lead defense lawyer in a civil fraud lawsuit brought by the Justice Department against a Russian firm in New York. The firm, which ultimately settled the case for about $6 million without admitting fault, was accused of using real estate purchases to launder a portion of the profits from the tax fraud that Mr. Magnitsky had uncovered. Mr. Browder provided much of the prosecution’s evidence.

While investigating Mr. Browder and his investors, Ms. Veselnitskaya unearthed what she considered evidence of a financial and tax fraud scheme. In October 2015, she took her findings about Mr. Browder and the Ziff brothers directly to Mr. Chaika, Russia’s top prosecutor and a man whom she has said she knows personally.

Mr. Chaika was highly pleased with her report, according to a former colleague of Ms. Veselnitskaya who spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of repercussions.

In April 2016, Ms. Veselnitskaya teamed with Mr. Chaika’s office to pass the accusations to an American congressional delegation visiting Moscow. An official with the Russian prosecutor general’s office gave a memo detailing the charges — stamped “confidential”— to Representative Dana Rohrabacher, a California Republican who is considered to be one of the most pro-Russia lawmakers in Congress and who heads a subcommittee that helps oversee U.S. policy toward Russia.

Ms. Veselnitskaya handed a nearly identical memo to Representative French Hill, Republican of Arkansas. She has said she also met with Mr. Rohrabacher then, although he said that he does not recall the encounter.

The next month, Mr. Chaika’s office described the alleged scheme on the prosecutor general’s website.

Precisely how Ms. Veselnitskaya ended up at the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting to present her findings remains in dispute. She asked Aras Agalarov, a well-connected Russian oligarch who knows the Trump family to help her share her allegations with the Trump campaign, according to Mr. Agalarov’s attorney, Scott Balber.

She may have told Mr. Agalarov that she had previously conveyed the same information to Mr. Chaika, Mr. Balber said. Mr. Agalarov’s son then enlisted his publicist, Rob Goldstone, to broker the meeting.

In emails to Donald Trump Jr., Mr. Goldstone wrote that a Russian prosecutor — an apparent reference to Mr. Chaika — had met with Mr. Agalarov and wanted to offer the Trump campaign official documents that would incriminate Mrs. Clinton. Mr. Goldstone described the proposed meeting as part of the Russian government’s effort to help Mr. Trump’s candidacy, and said a “government lawyer” would fly to New York to deliver the documents.

Donald Trump Jr. has dismissed Mr. Goldstone’s emails as “goosed-up.” Mr. Balber blamed miscommunication among those arranging the meeting. “Mr. Agalarov unequivocally, absolutely, never spoke to Mr. Chaika or his office about these issues,” he said.

Donald Trump Jr. enthusiastically accepted the offer of information that might damage the Clinton campaign. “I love it,” he wrote in an email agreeing to meet the Russian lawyer.

Ms. Veselnitskaya came to Trump Tower with a memo that closely resembled the document that prosecutors had given to Mr. Rohrabacher in Moscow two months earlier. Some paragraphs were incorporated verbatim, according to a comparison of both documents, which were provided to The Times.

By all accounts, the Trump campaign officials were unimpressed — even baffled — by her 20-minute presentation. “Some D.N.C. donors may have done something in Russia and they didn’t pay taxes,” Donald Trump Jr. said later. “I was, like, ‘What does this have to do with anything?’”

After the meeting came to light last summer, Ms. Veselnitskaya insisted it was “not related at all to the fact” that Donald Trump Jr. “was the son of the candidate.” But by last weekend, she was describing herself as a kind of whistle-blower who was trying to expose American political corruption.

Last Friday, she told Rossiya 24, the state television network: “Of course they don’t like it when somebody says, even in a friendly tone, ‘Guys, what is happening with you at home? Who is in charge of your politics? Who is paying these politicians, and for what?’”

In a follow-up television interview broadcast early this week, Mr. Chaika charged that Mr. Browder and the Ziffs had illegally used “Russian money” to lobby for the sanctions law.

Russian elites have been known to mount independent initiatives to curry favor with the Kremlin. But a number of well-known Russian analysts called it inconceivable that Ms. Veselnitskaya would have bypassed her own government to deliver what are now unmistakably official allegations to an American presidential campaign.

Said Gleb O. Pavlovsky, the president of the Fund for Effective Politics, a Moscow research institute: “She had guidance.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/27/us/p ... ussia.html




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PostPosted: 10-27-2017 04:50 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


BREAKING NEWS: First Charges Filed in Trump-Russia Probe, At Least One Arrest Expected Soon

memphis your derpitude makes me cry tears of laughter


:olo:




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PostPosted: 10-27-2017 05:36 PM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


lol




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PostPosted: 10-27-2017 07:35 PM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Can’t wait for the inevitable scramble over the weekend...




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PostPosted: 10-28-2017 12:25 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


me too, its better than netflix




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PostPosted: 10-28-2017 06:17 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Now we know why all the trumpians and foxnews were having a meltdown all week... :olo: ...




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PostPosted: 10-28-2017 08:29 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


You mean where they all got in line to suck Trump's dick, guised as interviews? lol




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Etile
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PostPosted: 10-28-2017 09:34 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


that's a hell of a small package to leave on Q3W's porch :|




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Aneurysm
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PostPosted: 10-28-2017 10:44 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


but her emails!




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PostPosted: 10-28-2017 11:18 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


some of you still keep reading and believing the same decievers that had you for a major fool election time. why is that?




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So why does Hillary Clinton supposedly being a poor choice as president still matter? News flash: she isn't president. The person that currently is president is doing a shit job of it though. Seems far more relevant. Unless you're a Trump apologist of course. Typical Trump (and high school bully) behavior. Degade others to make yourself look better.




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Eraser wrote:
So why does Hillary Clinton supposedly being a poor choice as president still matter? News flash: she isn't president. The person that currently is president is doing a shit job of it though.

This is so to the point that it just needs to be on this page twice.




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Kempston Joy
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PostPosted: 10-29-2017 11:05 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


trying to reason with 90% of Americans is pointless.




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PostPosted: 10-29-2017 03:46 PM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Roger stone, bant from twitter. Lol.




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dubz wrote:
some of you still keep reading and believing the same decievers that had you for a major fool election time. why is that?


Honestly how were we fooled ?, her emails ?, we all knew about them, the uranium shit ?, the information required to prove that to be bollocks and reduce it to one of Trumps outbursts is availiable in the public domain. We all pretty much understood the measure of Hillary - what she was about and what she would do, unfortunately we also understood the same about Trump... Even during election time your band were crying about how Russia was definitely not the cause of the leaks, that wikileaks confirmed this and took it as gospel only for the orange but thin skinned narcissist messiah to confirm that it was probaly a Russian backed hacking group.

Hillary would've been better even to maintain the status quo, we said Trump would take care of the people that got him there, that he would gift the rich a free pass whilst taking it out on the poor / vulnerable, that his foreign affair policy would be atrocious, that his internal policies would be funny if they weren't serious and guess what ?, we were right :)

All the Trump brigade can do is regress into saying how he's beat the system, that he's created change now and he honestly hasn't and you're daft if you can't see it. He is just a typical Republican president with the addition of being particularly unhinged and prone to babyish tirades on twitter or bizarre public statements.

Now with that said, the DNC really need to throw Clinton under the bus and have her fall on her sword. She or the things she's done don't really matter but it'd be funny trying to watch Trump defend himself then.



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Manafort and business associate indicted and taken to FBI field office...




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yea Manafort is done.

Quote:
Mr. Manafort, the president’s former campaign chairman, and his longtime associate Rick Gates, surrendered to the FBI on Monday. The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, said Mr. Manafort laundered more than $18 million to buy properties and services.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/p ... -news&_r=0




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One of the charges is conspiracy against the United States.

Got a feeling a little birdies gonna be singing his ass off :olo:



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PostPosted: 10-30-2017 07:40 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Like dominoes, George Papadopoulos is next.

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An advisor to President Donald Trump's campaign pleaded guilty on Oct. 5 to lying to FBI agents about when he met with Russian nationals to get "dirt" on Hillary Clinton, according to court filings released Monday.


https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/30/ex-trum ... gents.html




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PostPosted: 10-30-2017 08:15 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


I’m greedy. I want someone indicted that is currently in the administration...




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The low hanging fruit and people who flip before the bigger fish.




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In other news...

WASHINGTON — Tony Podesta and the Podesta Group are now the subjects of a federal investigation being led by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, three sources with knowledge of the matter told NBC News.




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shaft wrote:
The low hanging fruit and people who flip before the bigger fish.


Well I thought during the arrest that Manafort is hardly low hanging ?, to get that high up the chain this early is pretty big, no ?

10mil bail too



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MKJ wrote:
Eraser wrote:
So why does Hillary Clinton supposedly being a poor choice as president still matter? News flash: she isn't president. The person that currently is president is doing a shit job of it though.

This is so to the point that it just needs to be on this page twice.


hillary lost the election, but the government team she would be commanding has been set in place long before, to serve her, obama and administrations before and after because its the same money people everyone anwsers to. These people still have enourmous power in many gov positions, and are figthting full force to bring down trump because at the same time their crimes they purpotrated and conceled for years are being revealed. their own people on positions that thwarted investigations, droped charges etc.. are being replaced slowly.

mueller knew about manafort/podesta/clinton/uranium one years before, but shut down the investigation because he is in the croocked team serving hillary/obama...


trump russian collusion story once again falls apart and turns around on hillary...




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losCHUNK wrote:
shaft wrote:
The low hanging fruit and people who flip before the bigger fish.


Well I thought during the arrest that Manafort is hardly low hanging ?, to get that high up the chain this early is pretty big, no ?

10mil bail too



I would consider him low hanging fruit...even the Trump campaign decided he was too hot for them to keep around.




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Aye, I get you, but really this guy shouldn't be low hanging as if he flips then Trump has pretty much entered the conspiracy, which would make Trump low hanging too. Normally these sorts of things start much lower in the chain, to get a fish this big is quite surprising.



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Manafort pleaded not guilty. Looks like he’s not willing to make a deal...




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He's gotta sweat it out in prison 1st :), the big thing was getting bail conditions. Gates was arrested too (no idea who he was beforehand) so they gotta play them off against each other.

Kushner, Page and Flynn up next n all.

In the words of Trump "DO SOMETHING?" :olo:

I found this like an hr ago n all, just been flicking through it during downtime -

https://tttthreads.com/thread/924988111880417280



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LOL Drumpf is so fucked.



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losCHUNK wrote:
He's gotta sweat it out in prison 1st :), the big thing was getting bail conditions. Gates was arrested too (no idea who he was beforehand) so they gotta play them off against each other.

Kushner, Page and Flynn up next n all.

In the words of Trump "DO SOMETHING?" :olo:

I found this like an hr ago n all, just been flicking through it during downtime -

https://tttthreads.com/thread/924988111880417280


Thanks for that link man, nice summary of everything going on.




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