President Trump

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Like Puff said, Republicans backed the policy by 55%, the only party, gender, education, age or racial group to support it.

I certainly don't feel like Republicans represent me, so I'd rather not be lumped in with them whet you say "you guys".

[xer0s]

Aw yes, I am personally caging children at the border...

[Scourge]

Our immigration system has been fucked up for as long as I've been alive, but never before has a president torn disenfranchised families apart and used them as a bargaining chip to get laws passed. There's a bit of a difference.

Agreed, not arguing that point.

[YourGrandpa]

Also gramps is a massive moron plz don’t waste your time on him. In fact if we could work out some diplomatic trade, the US electorate would rather have you.

I'm not the dipshit here treating this type of incident like it's the epicenter of America's immigration problem. This is merely a by product of a broken system that needs repair. So instead of doing anything about it, government chooses to use the situation to smear the opposition. If you think the left's sudden concern for the well being of immigrant children is anything more than a smoke screen to detract from Trump's touted success with North Korea, you're the moron.

[YourGrandpa]

In the land of immigrants its amazing how little empathy you guys have towards immigrants...

I don't know where you live. But I'm pretty sure you guys don't have an open boarder policy.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

It's tragic that people as ignorant as gwamps exist.

[YourGrandpa]

Ignorance?

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/06/18/myt ... nce-policy

*crickets

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btw how long has this been going on. under Obama?

Under previous administrations not everyone crossing was criminally prosecuted and certainly not separated from their children. In certain cases they would keep the family 20 days (legal limit for holding a child) then release them with an ankle monitor until trial.

Interview with a 40yr immigration lawyer.

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https://apnews.com/dc0c9a5134d14862ba7c7ad9a811160e

Since the White House announced its zero tolerance policy in early May, more than 2,300 children have been taken from their parents at the U.S.-Mexico border, resulting in a new influx of young children requiring government care.

Trump administration officials have been sending babies and other young children forcibly separated from their parents at the U.S.-Mexico border to at least three "tender age" shelters in South Texas, The Associated Press has learned.


Also, NBC has obtained internal CBP documents that show between June 3rd and June 11th, 91% of parents being prosecuted at the border and forcibly separated from their children were being prosecuted with a MISDEMEANOR.

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This is merely a by product of a broken system that needs repair. So instead of doing anything about it, government chooses to use the situation to smear the opposition. If you think the left's sudden concern for the well being of immigrant children is anything more than a smoke screen to detract from Drumpf's touted success with North Korea, you're the moron.

Finally, something we agree on! The Democrats are scum for pretending to give a flying fuck about immigrants. They've been playing the "I have a black friend" card for decades. The Republicans are scum for letting Drumpf use thousands of children as bargaining chips to get what he wants. The whole system is fucked, neither party has any credibility, and our Democracy may truly be in jeopardy as a result.

That being said, what Drumpf is doing is morally wrong and it should be stopped. Immigrant families should be allowed to come in, no questions asked. Let them earn citizenship and contribute to our economy and culture.

[scared?]

Gramps is a trumpanzee... What a fucking tool... ...

Also he seems too poor to benefit from the Trump tax cuts... Lol poor ppl...

[Κracus]

At the end of the day, people like Gwamps have to wake up in the morning and look themselves in the mirror and tell themselves, "Today, I'm ok with terrorizing kids to send a message".

I think that speaks volumes about the character of a lot of Americans. They should be ashamed that they even tried to justify it by using mental gymnastics. Every other advanced nation has this problem, no one has to separate kids from their families to verify their identities and process them. The separation of families is absolutely meant to send a message to other immigrants. There's no laws forcing them to do this, they choose to do it by pointing at a policy as their excuse and citing bible verses to solidify their stance. Everyone complicit in this should be held accountable and put behind bars.

[YourGrandpa]

Gramps is a trumpanzee...

Um, no...

[YourGrandpa]

At the end of the day, people like Gwamps have to wake up in the morning and look themselves in the mirror and tell themselves, "Today, I'm ok with terrorizing kids to send a message".

I think that speaks volumes about the character of a lot of Americans. They should be ashamed that they even tried to justify it by using mental gymnastics. Every other advanced nation has this problem, no one has to separate kids from their families to verify their identities and process them. The separation of families is absolutely meant to send a message to other immigrants. There's no laws forcing them to do this, they choose to do it by pointing at a policy as their excuse and citing bible verses to solidify their stance. Everyone complicit in this should be held accountable and put behind bars.

Another incredibly naive and misinformed analysis. No surprise there.

When you can get Obama, Hillary and Trump all to say we need to strengthen our border and not encourage immigrants to use their children to gain access to the US, there's a problem.

I'm 100% for legal immigration, where people go through the naturalization process, become Americans, get jobs and pay taxes.

[Κracus]

Another incredibly naive and misinformed analysis. No surprise there.

When you can get Obama, Hillary and Trump all to say we need to strengthen our border and not encourage immigrants to use their children to gain access to the US, there's a problem.

I'm 100% for legal immigration, where people go through the naturalization process, become Americans, get jobs and pay taxes.

Tell me what part is naive and misinformed. Saying it, doesn't make it so.

Strengthening a border doesn't mean you need to traumatize kids. Get that through your thick head. You can achieve one without enabling the other. Other countries don't have this problem and not only that, immigration is down in the US since 2011. It's not the sensationalized problem you're making it out to be.

That's great that you're for legal immigration, so why are you ok with terrorizing kids to send a message to immigrants? Doesn't make much sense bro.

[shaft]

Gramps is conflating boarder security and immigration with separating children from their parents over a misdemeanor offense. Someone should take this morons kid away next time he gets a speeding ticket.

[scared?]

Gramps is pretending he's not a trumpanzee... How cute...

[YourGrandpa]

Gramps is conflating boarder security and immigration with separating children from their parents over a misdemeanor offense. Someone should take this morons kid away next time he gets a speeding ticket.

Dummies comparing traffic violations to illegal immigration like they're the exact same thing.

Maybe you should present a valid alternative along with a sensible means of funding.

[Κracus]

It doesn't even matter gramps, I think the general consensus is that even if it was illegal, there's no reason to separate families and the fact that it's being done now by republicans is strictly as a way to send a message to other immigrants. Your government is terrorizing families to make a point. This isn't to enforce a law (there are no laws requiring this btw) and it's not something that's always been done.

This is a republican policy and that policy serves no purpose if kids aren't being terrified. It's the goal of your current administration to deter immigrants by taking their kids from them. There's no justification and the excuses you've been fed are straight up spun to make it sound like it's the law and you're gobbling it up like there's no other way.

I highly recommend you read up or watch the milgram experiment. What's going on today is very much linked to what that particular experiment has taught us. I think a lot of americans should watch it, I think they made a movie or documentary about it at one point. It's a fascinating subject and I think everyone should at least read up on it once in their life.

[YourGrandpa]

Don't separate kids from their parents and stop terrorizing children. Okay, done. Now what? What do we do with the families? Can we send them back from where they came? Maybe we can work out some sort of deal to send a portion them to Canada. No reason America should be financially responsible for every illegal immigrant crossing their northern most border.

[Κracus]

Yeah absolutely, you can process immigrants, illegal and not, and do with them as the policies you decide. No, you can't send them to Canada, we take in a lot of refugees, believe it or not and we don't send them to the US when they're barred from entering Canada. You can send them back to their home countries, imprison them if their known criminals etc... Give them due process, absolutely, I wholeheartedly agree with that idea and I think that is a reasonable solution to this particular problem.

[YourGrandpa]

So Canada has no room for immigrants? Come on, really?

I can assure you that most people who have an issue with the way things are currently being handled will be vehemently against sending them back to their country of origination.

[Κracus]

I'm sorry, where did I say we have no room for immigrants? Pretty sure I said the exact opposite. What I'm saying is that US immigrants aren't Canada's problem. We have our own immigrants and we don't take kids away from their parents as a deterrent.

People may have issues with that depending on how frivolous the reasons are to send people back to their deaths.

[YourGrandpa]

They would be "Canadian" immigrants if our borders were swapped...

You mean to tell me Canada isn't interested in helping with the illegal immigration, um, I mean fleeing refugees who are leaving, um, I mean being displaced from their home countries. I thought you guys were more progressive than that.

[Κracus]

We are... In fact when your dolt in chief started on about anti immigration policies we stepped up and told the world's refugees Canada would be a safe haven for them even if the US wouldn't. We're leagues ahead of you in terms of immigration screening and policies.