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PostPosted: 10-28-2020 09:31 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Chil dudes and take some CBD... :q4: :olo:
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ok i lolled at that




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PostPosted: 10-29-2020 05:08 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


xer0s wrote:
raw wrote:
Just curious, is this directed at all Americans or just Xer0s?


Take a quick look at his post history. It’s obvious he holds great hate and discontent toward all Americans...



Spaz suffers from a personality disorder known as unrealistic expectations of others. It's why he sounds like he has wild mood swings when those expectations aren't met. He's probably reading this right now and thinking to himself that he's right and should expect good things from others but the problem lies when those expectations aren't met. When that happens he'll probably go on a tirade about why he's right and they're wrong and it probably happens often judging by his post history and his reaction on national television to being cut off while cycling. However, living with the misguided notion that you control everything causes problems whenever a curve ball is thrown your way which life will do often. Being malleable and learning not to have your every expectation met will result in a person more open to finding solutions themselves and not relying on others for his personal happiness.

Take it from me, being an asshole to everyone won't get you anywhere. Also, I don't look like a hobo spaz, I'm probably just stirring up deeply buried thoughts of sexual repression and you're just jealous. It's ok, I get it all the time, I forgive you.




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raw wrote:
Just curious, is this directed at all Americans or just Xer0s?

So what's your suggestion to fix things Mazda? By your rants, it almost appears as if any effort is wasted which also suggests in-action. Isn't inaction the same as complicity?

I voted for Biden happily. Do I like him? Eh, not really but I do think he's a good man. I don't agree with his moderate stance and I'm aware it's voting for the moderates who also take big corporate $$$.

Our biggest problem is corporate and now foreign money in politics. "We the people" cannot match that kind of wealth to lobby (aka bribe) our way to a system that's for the people. These people get a taste of the money from the ultra-wealthy which still keeps them upper-class and detached from the rest of every-day Americans. We get the money out, we may have a chance to make some change.

I agree with Xer0s on his point that this is going to be a slow and almost impossible process to correct ourselves from the point we are currently at. Overturning Citizens United (aka corporate money in politics) would be a good start. However, to truly transform this country we'd need to elect what Trump calls the "radical left" as their policies seem to me to be rooted in fairness and our future generations (aka climate change and renewable energy). However, it's been stated that the American failed-state democracy is already too far gone to be repaired and may need to be rebuilt in time. This is where a vote for Biden is the only chance we have despite the known caveats to the vote. Not to mention that we may actually get a handle on Covid-19 with any semblance of national leadership.

With all that said, a vote for Trump is an instant knife to the heart of our democracy. Our democracy will not survive another 4 years of Trump and who knows what he will do to world alliances or what dictator he will align with. That in itself should scare the planet.

All of these issues we over-simplify but in reality they are complex in nature due to all the strings tied to each item we need to change. It's like what I tell folks in IT solutions, the most important thing when coming into a foreign network to make changes it to have the knowledge of "why" this shitpile of a configuration exists. I'd imagine given the security clearance some of these easy issues become significantly more complex.


Mostly xer0s because he seems to be beyond help and it's fun poking him. I have tons of friends in the States who don't share the same useless platitudes that xeros spews about a slow, long process. Most of them were fighting hard for Bernie since before 2016, not that he's anything near the kind of revolutionary figure America needs, but he was a small step in the right (left) direction. Instead your only choice now is the vice president of the guy who lined up his cabinet with Citibank-approved members, deregulated Wall Street, expanded Bush's Patriot Act, destroyed Libya and Syria, expanded America's illegal wars further, and drone bombed people without hesitation, all while huge portions of the population didn't have access to non-toxic water and were dying from a lack of basic healthcare.
The reason your country is where it's at is because most of your population was fine with its violent foreign policy and using the IMF and NATO to handcuff countries to economic and military servitude, as long as it didn't spill over to their own backyard. Now you're foolishly hoping a career racist and former vice president of a war criminal, who was only on the ticket so Americans wouldn't feel too bad about voting for a black dude, will do what's right.

Inaction is also complicity, you are right in that. Do you boycott apartheid regimes and corporations that benefit from the destruction of the environment and economy? Do you have accounts with HSBC or Bank of America? There's a lot you can do to enact actual change and educate others around you to make better decisions. If the poorest and most marginalized group of people in America can take over the streets and demand social change, then the middle class has to get their shit together and vote with their wallets.

Trump didn't magically pop out of a pile of shit. A lot of poor people in your country propped him up because their lives got worse under Obama's neoliberalism, a pattern that has repeated in countries all over the world that now have their own far-right populist tyrants appealing to the dumbest and most racist people. When you call him a Putin-puppet, you're ignoring the actual people and conditions that led to his creation and are setting yourself up to continue this cycle. Mega-corporations fund both the democrats and republicans, because they're still getting what they want whether it's a Clinton, Biden, Obama, Romney, or Trump in office. With another 4 years of stagnation coming from Biden, I'll take Jerry's $10 and bet you there will be another unhinged Trump-like conservative on the ballot on your next election. And I'm sure xer0s will still be thinking "BUT WHAT ABOUT RUSSIA???" while his fellow citizens are being shot in the head by the authorities serving a racist police institution that directly feeds off America's military-industrial complex and its acts of terrorism worldwide. You're really not that far from a Kanye presidency and the Russia narrative helps pull the wool over your eyes just enough to distract from how democrats support all of Trump's pro-fascist foreign policies and military deals with authoritarian and apartheid regimes.

Oh and kracass, I've seen your living conditions so I'll try not to make fun of you since you seem to have actual mental and physiological micronutrient deficiencies, despite how much you hate me. I actually feel bad that you're the only parental figure your kid has.




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PostPosted: 10-29-2020 06:49 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


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PostPosted: 10-29-2020 09:11 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Thanks for the response. See some of my responses below.

Captain Mazda wrote:
Mostly xer0s because he seems to be beyond help and it's fun poking him. I have tons of friends in the States who don't share the same useless platitudes that xeros spews about a slow, long process. Most of them were fighting hard for Bernie since before 2016, not that he's anything near the kind of revolutionary figure America needs, but he was a small step in the right (left) direction. Instead your only choice now is the vice president of the guy who lined up his cabinet with Citibank-approved members, deregulated Wall Street, expanded Bush's Patriot Act, destroyed Libya and Syria, expanded America's illegal wars further, and drone bombed people without hesitation, all while huge portions of the population didn't have access to non-toxic water and were dying from a lack of basic healthcare.
The reason your country is where it's at is because most of your population was fine with its violent foreign policy and using the IMF and NATO to handcuff countries to economic and military servitude, as long as it didn't spill over to their own backyard. Now you're foolishly hoping a career racist and former vice president of a war criminal, who was only on the ticket so Americans wouldn't feel too bad about voting for a black dude, will do what's right.


First, deregulation of the banks started back in the 80's wiht Regan and has spanned multiple administrations across multiple parties. We can thank Alan Greenspan for this as he's been the financial advisor advising these deregulations all the way to Obama. I agree, that we've taken a long and slow road to create this mess we are in now and what's done is done. We can't change the past and we must accept and live with our choices that led us here. I would agree with you on this fully.

I'd also argue, that despite party afliations that American leadership has meddled too much in other nations democracies. (We can thank Clinton for what's happened in Haiti). I'd like to think we agree that this bi-partisan fuckery around the world has a root cause of supporting corporate interest groups and their ever-expanding reach to make more money and take advantage of impoverished nations for cheap labor. I'd also ague, that a lot of us aren't 'fine' with this but would rather argue that we've been conditioned to feel like there's nothing we can do (I'm not defending this, stating what I've observed amongst other Americans I've encountered).

Captain Mazda wrote:
Now you're foolishly hoping a career racist and former vice president of a war criminal, who was only on the ticket so Americans wouldn't feel too bad about voting for a black dude, will do what's right.


Regardless of how we ended up with these poor choices, that's all we have. Go back to keeping the "same bs" or the loss of our democracy entirely. To me personally, Joe Biden is the plug in the leaky dam. I voted him to get back to some semblence of stability as a country so we can at least go back to focusing on how to comabt everything you described (again, I agree).

I personally am a huge supporter of Elizabeth Warren, I also like Bernie, and AOC is just a blessing to me. The truth is (as tough as it is for me to swallow) is that the progressives America needs to heal and get on a path of correction isn't possible at the current moment in America. Joe Biden is the ONLY candidate that would lure away Trump voters, independents, and undecided voters. With help from Project Lincoln (yes, i know George Conaway is the reaosn Clinton is impeached and yes I also am fully aware that once this objective of getting rid of Trump they will go back to their normal partisan hack games), Repulican Voters Against Trump (RVAT), and other similar groups the only focus is saving America from further destruction. In short, Biden is a stopgap and nothing more.

Captain Mazda wrote:
Inaction is also complicity, you are right in that. Do you boycott apartheid regimes and corporations that benefit from the destruction of the environment and economy? Do you have accounts with HSBC or Bank of America? There's a lot you can do to enact actual change and educate others around you to make better decisions. If the poorest and most marginalized group of people in America can take over the streets and demand social change, then the middle class has to get their shit together and vote with their wallets.


Actually, glad you brought this up. I do what I can to not support anything I don't believe in with my wallet. For instance, I HATE BoA and I refinanced my house away from Wells Fargo due to them funding oil pipelines accross Native American reservations. Some of us are working really hard to do ALL we can to do the right thing.

If we really want to get into the details of the 'dumbing of America', I believe our lack of investment into public schools and teachers is deliberate as an uneducated society is easier to manipulate. My daughter and son-in-law are teachers and they way they are being treated is horrible. I had to help provide covid supplies since the school would not. I had to purchase a webcam for her because she was requied to teach in-class students at the same time as online students while also being expected to protect the classroom from assailants. It's insane the things we expect from our teachers for less pay than a management role at McDonalds.

There's a reason the rich support charter schools (FUCK BETSY DEVOSS!). It's because they can guarantee they are the ruling class and separate themselves from the working class. We have been digreesing as a nation for decades and the boomers are the ones who made significant votes against their own interests and then passed down those idealogies to my generation (Gen X). Things are complex when you look at the tribe-like nature of each family and passed down values. Just looking at my own family history I was once proud of now looks differenly based on where we are as a nation today. I'd suspect a lot of Americans embrace thier family tribe ideals and never question whether some of it is right wrong. A lot of the times, it's not challenges and adopted as gospel righteousness.

Captain Mazda wrote:
Trump didn't magically pop out of a pile of shit. A lot of poor people in your country propped him up because their lives got worse under Obama's neoliberalism, a pattern that has repeated in countries all over the world that now have their own far-right populist tyrants appealing to the dumbest and most racist people. When you call him a Putin-puppet, you're ignoring the actual people and conditions that led to his creation and are setting yourself up to continue this cycle. Mega-corporations fund both the democrats and republicans, because they're still getting what they want whether it's a Clinton, Biden, Obama, Romney, or Trump in office. With another 4 years of stagnation coming from Biden, I'll take Jerry's $10 and bet you there will be another unhinged Trump-like conservative on the ballot on your next election. And I'm sure xer0s will still be thinking "BUT WHAT ABOUT RUSSIA???" while his fellow citizens are being shot in the head by the authorities serving a racist police institution that directly feeds off America's military-industrial complex and its acts of terrorism worldwide. You're really not that far from a Kanye presidency and the Russia narrative helps pull the wool over your eyes just enough to distract from how democrats support all of Trump's pro-fascist foreign policies and military deals with authoritarian and apartheid regimes.


I can't deny some of these arguments as I feel similar about them. I would say that the only chance we have (like you) are the progressives but experts argue we've gone too far and the fall of this democracy is inevitable. We can only make the best decisions we can at the moment and hope for the best while preparing for the worst. It's a sad state of affairs and I feel personal anxiety about the entire thing and I'd love nothing more than to unplug and walk away and go back to my ignorant life but I can't. I refuse to be manipulated.

I will also agree that this is a bi-partisan mess that got us here. However, it's a fact that Trump is colluding with foreign powers to steal this election and has colluded with them in 2016. He's a traitor of the worst kind and a lot of his GOP enablers are just as if not more guilty than Trump. Never in my life would I think there would be a day where an American would choose Russia over a fellow American (GOP'ers have worn shirts that they would "rather vote Russian than Democrat).


The only challenge I would aruge for your statement is that what you've depicted gives no direction for any change. It's almost as if you're saying that picking Biden or Trump is bad but I'd argue not picking one (SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS ELECTION) would do more harm than good.

In 2016 I stood by my morals and i felt good about voting independent (I've been one my whole adult life and have mainly voted the same way). I've been a big advocate to get the independent vote numbrs up higher so we can get them on the national debate stage, to break up the 2-party, divide and conquer system. I also never imagined Trump would win. In hindsight, I wish I voted for Hillary even though I can't stand her. I'd even argue that I believe Joe Biden is a step up from Hillary. Despite his policies, he appears to be a decent human being in comparison to he current Traitor-in-Chief.




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seremtan wrote:
.......... everyone's mad as hell all of a sudden

Politics :smirk:



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holy text cliff, manbat :|




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Captain Mazda wrote:
Trump didn't magically pop out of a pile of shit. A lot of poor people in your country propped him up because their lives got worse under {.} neoliberalism, a pattern that has repeated in countries all over the world.


I strongly agree with your assessment that Trump is a mere symptom of a pattern that is happening all around the (western) world right now.

But reducing the analysis of this patterns cause to the consideration of economic conditions only is a dangerous mistake: It not only delivers us an incomplete picture but also, as a consequence, gives us wrong guidance when taking action to make the situation better.

What I think is missing from the perspective you described is that there is also an actual cultural shift going on and the frictions caused by this shift are felt, painfully, by a lot of people.

So when right wingers complain about "snoflake liberals shoving their SJW identity polics down their throats" I think they are factually right. "Right" here in the sense that the statement is true. More diverse content actually is produced with the intention to change our collective behaviour (Personally, I agree: This should be done.). Take as an example the big influence Anita Sarkeesian had on gaming; Without her I don't think games like "The Last of Us" would have featured a lesbian protagonist (or at least not this early in our cultural history). If you grew up in a world where Duke Nukem would tell strippers to "shake it" this is quite a big change. While I totally agree that we need to change the narratives we perpetuate and while I joyously welcome for example strong female protagonists in games and mainstream movies, I think we should not disregard the fact that this cultural shift is causing actual pain to a lot of people: Having your behaviour repeatedly exposed or labeled as sexist or racist is not a pleasant experience. For a lot of people actually accepting that parts of our culture and, thus, they themselves are hurtful to women and persons of color is not bearable and they turn to right wing politics to alleviate this cognitive dissonance.

Of course this is only a small facet of the whole complex. For example I did not say anything about how the right wing response to this cultural shift is intentionally fueled by some actors in order to further their goals (Russian trolls astroturfing right wing oppinions, etc.).




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As much as I enjoy watching bias bounce effortlessly around the echo chamber and cancel culture attempt to claim it's next victim. I couldn't pass up this incredible gem.

How does someone say this...

raw wrote:
It's like what I tell folks in IT solutions, the most important thing when coming into a foreign network to make changes it to have the knowledge of "why" this shitpile of a configuration exists.


and also say this?

raw wrote:
I voted for Biden happily.


I sure hope you are better with computers than you are with politics. :olo:


A Biden win will set politics in America back 20 years and get us an even worse Trump in 2024.




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YourGrandpa wrote:
How does someone say this...


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A Biden win will set politics in America back 20 years and get us an even worse Trump in 2024.


yeah, how does someone say something so self-evidently retarded?

if you're aiming for some kind of 10-dimensional accelerationist strategy, this ain't it gwamps




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How you feeling YGP, was it rough?




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seremtan wrote:
yeah, how does someone say something so self-evidently retarded?

if you're aiming for some kind of 10-dimensional accelerationist strategy, this ain't it gwamps


Evidently retarded? Do tell.

Go...




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Lol the fatass who barely survived covid thinks Biden is bad and Trump is just fine. What a fucking moron... :olo: ...




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Btw, your should have seen all the trumpanzees on the flight from Denver to Austin we just got off making entitled homo stands about having to wear masks. Two dipshits got removed by security, another five cried like bitches about their rights blah blah blah until shut down... Fucking retards...




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YourGrandpa wrote:
A Biden win will set politics in America back 20 years and get us an even worse Trump in 2024.

Proud Boys is the way forward :up:




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raw wrote:
Regardless of how we ended up with these poor choices, that's all we have. Go back to keeping the "same bs" or the loss of our democracy entirely. To me personally, Joe Biden is the plug in the leaky dam. I voted him to get back to some semblence of stability as a country so we can at least go back to focusing on how to comabt everything you described (again, I agree).


This I'm in agreement with to a degree. If I were a sane American like you, I'd also be voting for Biden over Trump. My criticism wasn't over your choice out of these two, it was about the danger of ignoring what Biden stands for and being prepared for a continuation of the Obama-era status quo: expansion of hegemonic wars, destabilizing countries, environmental catastrophes, etc. etc. I feel like America is past the point of return on bringing a progressive platform to power, but I'll touch on this in the next paragraph.

raw wrote:
I personally am a huge supporter of Elizabeth Warren, I also like Bernie, and AOC is just a blessing to me. The truth is (as tough as it is for me to swallow) is that the progressives America needs to heal and get on a path of correction isn't possible at the current moment in America. Joe Biden is the ONLY candidate that would lure away Trump voters, independents, and undecided voters. With help from Project Lincoln (yes, i know George Conaway is the reaosn Clinton is impeached and yes I also am fully aware that once this objective of getting rid of Trump they will go back to their normal partisan hack games), Repulican Voters Against Trump (RVAT), and other similar groups the only focus is saving America from further destruction. In short, Biden is a stopgap and nothing more.


So this is where I feel things fall apart when it comes to progressive leadership. Warren started her campaign trying to siphon voters from Bernie by appealing to progressives, then as time went on her true republican colours came out and she began slipping more and more to the right of center, the sweet spot for her corporate banking donors.

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From the beginning, there were good reasons for progressive leftists not to trust that Elizabeth Warren was on their side. For one thing, she had spent much of her career as a Republican, and only recently become a champion of progressive causes. Warren worked at Harvard Law School training generations of elite corporate lawyers; did legal work for big corporations accused of wrongdoing; collected donations from billionaires; held secret meetings with investment bankers and major Democratic party donors; and stood up and applauded when Donald Trump vowed that America would “never become a socialist country”. Even at the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, her most prominent initiative on behalf of ordinary borrowers, Warren brought in former Wall Street bankers, tasking financial foxes with guarding the henhouse.

But lately, Warren has finally begun to make her true feelings clear, and progressives no longer need to wonder whether she’s with us or not. She’s not. Warren released a Medicare for All plan that called it a “long-term” plan, which leftwing political analyst Ben Studebaker pointed out is “code to rich people for ‘this is all pretend’”.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... rogressive

When I first heard about AOC, I was a bit intrigued, but still hesitated to call her a progressive. I followed the campaign of misinformation and attacks she and Omar faced from both parties, but it was pretty blatant when she fell in line and called Pelosi her "mama bear". The DNC has made it very clear since defrauding Bernie in 2016 that they are against anything resembling progress. Anyone in congress who steps out of line will suddenly face a re-election opponent with full DNC media and corporate backing.

Bernie, for all intents and purposes, seems by far like the most genuine human in American politics, but overall his foreign policy is not nearly as strong as what Jill Stein and the Greens presented. I would call him a moderate stepping stone to progress, and had the DNC not screwed him in the last two elections, he'd easily be the front-runner against Trump. I'd go as far as to say countless lives around the world and in your own country would've been spared if Bernie had rightly been the Democratic nominee in 2016. He may have even become the first US president since Hoover who didn't start a war while in office. His problem was that in the end he was still beholden to the DNC, for whom the concept of socialism is apocalyptic. Except for the rich of course.

raw wrote:
Actually, glad you brought this up. I do what I can to not support anything I don't believe in with my wallet. For instance, I HATE BoA and I refinanced my house away from Wells Fargo due to them funding oil pipelines accross Native American reservations. Some of us are working really hard to do ALL we can to do the right thing.


Good on you man, it's difficult but it makes a difference.

raw wrote:
If we really want to get into the details of the 'dumbing of America', I believe our lack of investment into public schools and teachers is deliberate as an uneducated society is easier to manipulate. My daughter and son-in-law are teachers and they way they are being treated is horrible. I had to help provide covid supplies since the school would not. I had to purchase a webcam for her because she was requied to teach in-class students at the same time as online students while also being expected to protect the classroom from assailants. It's insane the things we expect from our teachers for less pay than a management role at McDonalds.


100%. Paraphrasing Che Guevara, a nation of educated people is a nation that cannot be indoctrinated or conquered by outside forces. He was absolutely right about that and I think the military-industrial complex learned a lot about the generation that opposed the Vietnam War. Your TV programs got dumber, the food got junkier, and blind servitude became synonymous with honourable patriotism. I don't see millennials or gen z changing that anytime soon. I mean just look at gwamps, he's going to do everything to make sure his son turns into a proud blue line bootlicker. The poor kid will probably even join the army or become another racist Florida cop just to make dad "proud".

raw wrote:
I can't deny some of these arguments as I feel similar about them. I would say that the only chance we have (like you) are the progressives but experts argue we've gone too far and the fall of this democracy is inevitable. We can only make the best decisions we can at the moment and hope for the best while preparing for the worst. It's a sad state of affairs and I feel personal anxiety about the entire thing and I'd love nothing more than to unplug and walk away and go back to my ignorant life but I can't. I refuse to be manipulated.


Honestly I think I feel your pain. Watching America's obsession with culture wars and politicizing every single thing has made me expedite the plan for my girlfriend and I to move to Finland. This insanity is already taking over Canada and I think it's only going to get worse when the conservatives come into power in the next election. Our top two choices here are dangerous christian conservatives and corrupt neoliberals, followed by a democratic party that over the last decade has become more and more neoliberal, and a green party that has just elected a centrist leader committed to nothing but platitudes. Then we've got the fringe far-right extremists who think the conservatives aren't extreme right-wing enough, who become less and less fringe every day with the growing anti-masker 5G plandemic anti-vaxxer pro-Trump conspiracy crowds.

raw wrote:
I will also agree that this is a bi-partisan mess that got us here. However, it's a fact that Trump is colluding with foreign powers to steal this election and has colluded with them in 2016. He's a traitor of the worst kind and a lot of his GOP enablers are just as if not more guilty than Trump. Never in my life would I think there would be a day where an American would choose Russia over a fellow American (GOP'ers have worn shirts that they would "rather vote Russian than Democrat).


I'd say that's already been ingrained in American politics for a long time with AIPAC and other foreign lobbies. Their sole purpose is to vet politicians and make sure they will choose Israel over their own country if given the choice.

raw wrote:
In 2016 I stood by my morals and i felt good about voting independent (I've been one my whole adult life and have mainly voted the same way). I've been a big advocate to get the independent vote numbrs up higher so we can get them on the national debate stage, to break up the 2-party, divide and conquer system. I also never imagined Trump would win. In hindsight, I wish I voted for Hillary even though I can't stand her. I'd even argue that I believe Joe Biden is a step up from Hillary. Despite his policies, he appears to be a decent human being in comparison to he current Traitor-in-Chief.


Hillary is even more of a war-loving monster than Obama, just her shrill cackle after Libya had been turned into a smoking pile of rubble with open slave markets could've made Goebbels blush. She'd have lined up her cabinet with the same people as Obama and Bush and continued the proxy wars, weapons deals with Israel and Saudi Arabia, selling debt to China, and attacks against democracies through NATO. The only difference is that her PR team would've been far more effective than Trump at hiding their crimes. I'd wager the same issues of infrastructure, public health, education, poverty, and social inequality would've stayed the same.

I would definitely not call him a decent human being over his years of racist policies or being a sitting vice president for one of the most murderous administrations in US history. In an ideal world he'd be tried for war crimes along with the rest of the oval office.

Trust me, I want the orange fat fuck in chains as much as you do, but just like with Obama taking over from Bush, there will be zero judgment or accountability for the crimes that have been committed by Trump's administration. Maybe a couple low-level stooges get sent to minimum security for a few months for tax evasion as a symbolic gesture so people on twitter can proclaim "AMERICA IS BACK" to take up the mantle of world police and champion of democracy once again.




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Finno-Persian Legend
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PostPosted: 10-31-2020 12:28 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Also gwamps is definitely voting for Kanye in 2024 hoping that black people will want to be friends with him.




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Etile
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i still can't get over the fact that gwamps thinks that voting for Trump in 2020 will avoid "an even worse Trump" in 2024 :olo:




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Canadian Shaft
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seremtan wrote:
i still can't get over the fact that gwamps thinks that voting for Trump in 2020 will avoid "an even worse Trump" in 2024 :olo:

classic gwamps




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Aneurysm
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lol. I hope Biden gives his son Javankas old job and then he opens up a resort that he can go to every weekend to funnel our tax dollars into his pockets.




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Etile
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PostPosted: 10-31-2020 12:34 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


shaft wrote:
funnel our tax dollars into his crack pipe.




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Finno-Persian Legend
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scared? wrote:
Lol the fatass who barely survived covid thinks Biden is bad and Trump is just fine. What a fucking moron... :olo: ...


:olo:




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Blockheaded Blubberboy
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seremtan wrote:
i still can't get over the fact that gwamps thinks that voting for Trump in 2020 will avoid "an even worse Trump" in 2024 :olo:


So nothing but an emoji... Got it.

If you think a Biden win isn't a win for corporate politicians, the status quo, a suppressive media and won't put the democratic party back to sleep, and quell the rise of more parties in the future you're a moron.




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Blockheaded Blubberboy
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scared? wrote:
Lol the fatass who barely survived covid thinks Biden is bad and Trump is just fine. What a fucking moron... :olo: ...


6'2" 208lbs and flat bench 225lbs for 10 in the third set. I'll fly to your shit hole and smack you with my fat dick... LOL

BTW, I don't think Trump is fine. I think Biden is worse.




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Finno-Persian Legend
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Yeah because Trump's America is what you've always wanted. The freedom to bash gays, shoot protesters, deport non-whites, kill anyone who doesn't suck off the army and cops. Even though you're too much of a pussy to join your fellow proud boys, it's enough to make you ignore the fact that orange man's #1 priority is corporate profit and suppressing media freedom.

This despite the fact that he's worse at business than you are at turning a motorcycle you blockheaded blubberball :olo:




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Cool #9
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Good news everyone! Trump ended the corona pandemic! At least, that's what the white house says and who are we to doubt them?

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/2 ... mic-432827




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Well no worries then,(sigh), what a relief!



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YourGrandpa wrote:

BTW, I don't think Trump is fine. I think Biden is worse.


Jesus fucking Christ :olo:




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Etile
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imagine going into lockdown #2 knowing Trump has won term #2 :dork:

might as well drink bleach




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Unquantifiable Abstract
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PostPosted: 11-01-2020 08:05 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


seremtan wrote:
might as well drink bleach


Through the anus




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Etile
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PostPosted: 11-01-2020 02:15 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


bleached bum'oles




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Cool #9
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So Trump is hard at work sabotaging the elections with lawsuits to have votes blocked (I believe both in Wisconsin and Texas) and we all know he has the postal service neutered to make mail-in voting difficult.

Must be a great feeling to vote for someone who is obviously cheating and just not giving a fuck about that




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Arrr?
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But Biden is worse. Come on, man!




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Cool #9
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PostPosted: 11-02-2020 12:50 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


A nice harrowing summation of Trump's inability to deal with Corona virus.




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