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Good summary and I can understand where you're coming form and mostly agree, the artistic style is what I drew objection to and it's wether we, as fans, can accept that change.

In its defence those 2 episodes were just a prologue and it's still difficult at this stage to determine the 'personality' of the show.

There were quite a few instances in the old series where mankind weren't so pure and good, things like when Sisko was willing to commit mass genocide, faked intelligence to bring the Romulans into war and I think this was explored in Discovery, in that Burnham (who compromised her morals) wanted to fire 1st and went against her captain to avoid war and save the crew, where as the rest of starfleet respecting their morals lead to creating a war, I thought it done that pretty well imo as it showed there wasn't a hard line between good and evil.

Also the 'we come in peace' thing with the Klngons and using that as a way of threatening their beliefs and starting a war, I thought that was handled very well. They were'nt portrayed as mindless stereotypical warriors and monstrous, they gave them an inclusive society with motivation that people normally have where they're interested in protecting their freedom. Kind of showing disgust at Starfleet for not willing to defend themselves by lying instead, because the Klingon belief doesn't understand why they wouldn't in the same way that Starfleet belief doesn't understand how firing 1st can be seen as a good thing.

By giving both sides the same motivation It's exploring how even good intentions can become bad when people are entrenched in a certain belief and this is something that the logical thinking Vulcans figured out but an emotional 'pure and good' starfleet couldnt. One could say it's a cultural implosion :)

To me that's proper Trek anyway.
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i saw a bit on tv the other day

the part i saw was dark and the vibes were weird

that said i will give it a go for sure
it is about time!
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Jus watch the 1st 2 eps, it's more of a prologue anyway so the cast and ships n shit going forward are (mostly) going to be different anyway.
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so i checked it out

erg

imo this is good for non star trek fans and bad for star trek fans.

so many crucial star trek elements things missing from this.


-horrible depressing theme music, perfect for this dead show.
-to dark
-no cool guys (caviler cowboys)
-no star trek trademark tongue and cheek humor.
-no star trek trademark new and inventive whiz bang tech.
-no hot chicks , they take the two beautiful lady and make one character an overly emotional conflicted Vulcan logic mess and the other just seems muddled.
-the captain doest have the presence and i find her diction/enunciation are unclear and distracting, star trek has always had very clear speaking actors.
-to many rubber faces
-the whole klingon thing , just wtf , no
-no fun and excitement, just not entertaining
-hardly any character development besides the cap and no 1

i can prob think of more but i am boring myself now

* and no new cool and interesting android
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It's a yawn fest.
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I hadnt checked any opinions regarding it before i spec'ed Star trek discovery but after i did check some reviews and that lead me to The Orville!!

i spec'ed the first 4 epi and i really really like it =!
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This ep was even better than the 1st 2 :)

Orville is ok, has the MacFarlane humour all over it though and is more like Galaxy Quest than Star Trek
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plained wrote:I hadnt checked any opinions regarding it before i spec'ed Star trek discovery but after i did check some reviews and that lead me to The Orville!!

i spec'ed the first 4 epi and i really really like it =!
colleague of mine mentioned this too. Watched a trailer and it looks more like Star Trek than the new Star Trek does
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I found it very easy to enjoy!
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Just caught up and actually quite enjoyed it all so far - I always liked Trek but have never been "a fan" or watched a whole series of it so far - as such I have no real investment in anything "being Star Trek" ie. klingons, tech etc.... I like the Klingon direction tbh, they look more alien now than in previous shows.

The first two episodes (taken as a whole) really come across like a "Trek Movie", which sets the background for the current storylines. Ep 3 is the real start, felt like a star trek episode and had some interesting directions.
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Yeah I dunno about ep3 either. The scale was smaller and more character focused which I liked, but the whole thing felt too much like half a dozen ideas from other scifii movies blended together to make something new(-ish). Everything came across very forced.
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That's a good point actually, I think the ep would've benefitted by excluding the ship boarding and having that a s a focus for another ep.

It's fair to say that this ep suffered the usual pilot episode problems, in that they're trying to introduce the characters and do a story, making it jump around a bit.
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Just watched S01E03 ~ I quite liked it. Especially the ambiguity of the main character - Is she likable or not?

Also the main story arc seems interesting.

Let's see where this goes.
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Pext wrote:Especially the ambiguity of the main character - Is she likable or not?
Really? To me it felt like she's written as a good character who, omg, needs to do something bad so suddenly everyone can hate her.
And even the bad thing wasn't all that bad IMO. Her actions were driven entirely by purely good intentions.
That's a good point actually, I think the ep would've benefitted by excluding the ship boarding and having that a s a focus for another ep.
The boarding sequence felt more like something out of Alien or Doom than Star Trek. Even the monster looked like a Doom 3 pinky demon
Maybe it's me still not getting over how un-StarTrek everything looks, but it's almost like the original intention was to write a more Star Trek-y script but some suit came running in demanded that stuff be dark so they had to force that in.
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Oh it deffo was influenced by Alien and arguably done a better job too :)

I don't think it's un-ST though, the series has always drawn inspiration from other shows / movies. Empok Nor for DS9, Impulse in ENT was basically an excuse to get zombies on but the character building and sense of wonder is still there.

There are some deeper aspects (like arguing and disreguard for command) that I'm hoping will pad out in the upcoming episodes but some of the stuff I was concerned about in the 1st 2 eps have already been placed on the back burner and am still impressed overall.
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I fucking love it. Seriously, it's so well done, the production quality is amazing and the actors are great.
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So far this show has exactly 0 likeable characters :disgust:
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Spacey disagrees.
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MKJ wrote:Spacey disagrees.
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First two eps are gash, after that it gets much betterererererer
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Seen the first five eps so far, but meh. It all feels too contrived and forced to me.
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I'm quite enjoying it. It's nice to see a Trek with a modern episode format instead of the staid old "Monster of the Week" thing.
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Got to say, i didn't like the swearing.
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wait, Star Trek with strong language? :dts:
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See also: The Voyage Home
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