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Arrr?
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PostPosted: 02-20-2018 07:51 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


God damn shame but I'm with seremtan on this one... happens so fucking often nowadays that it's pretty much just a given that some nutso will blow away 15 kids at a school every week in USA.




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PostPosted: 02-21-2018 05:53 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


what a backwards country :olo:




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PostPosted: 02-21-2018 06:10 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


It's not backwards. It's just that everyone considered what keeps them in power. Voting against a gun ban pleases the NRA and in turn the NRA supports you. That's how it works.




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PostPosted: 02-21-2018 06:49 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Which makes it backwards, it's not confined to gun law.



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PostPosted: 02-21-2018 07:17 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Does everyone in the US just sit on their couch and watch TV witnessing these mass shootings, go "thoughts and prayers" then just say or think: "it's not the guns, don't regulate the guns, it's the video games, the rap music and the violent TV shows?"




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PostPosted: 02-21-2018 07:22 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Like a lot of people in here are saying, I think it's become so common place it's just accepted now and people move on, like an unavoidable consequence of living in pure freedom.



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PostPosted: 02-21-2018 07:42 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Can buy AR15 before can buy beer. Fucking lol.




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PostPosted: 02-21-2018 10:11 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


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PostPosted: 02-21-2018 11:52 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


losCHUNK wrote:
an unavoidable consequence of living in pure freedom.


:olo: :olo: :olo:
Brilliant




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PostPosted: 02-21-2018 01:36 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Doombrain wrote:
Can buy AR15 before can buy beer. Fucking lol.



From walmart, With your groceries. (Our local one has 2 AR models, or did last time I looked for shits, who knows how many now)


Then there was this not long ago.



Good times walmart. Good times.




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PostPosted: 02-21-2018 01:59 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


"like a hero" :olo:

or even like an hero when the bullets run out :|




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PostPosted: 02-21-2018 10:45 PM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


So Trump's solution is arming teachers.

How long until one overworked teacher gets frustrated by the class clown and shoots a kid in the face :dork:




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PostPosted: 02-21-2018 11:40 PM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


How long until a kid just takes a gun from a teacher who improperly stores it and shoots up a class?




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PostPosted: 02-22-2018 12:13 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Transient wrote:
How long until a kid just takes a gun from a teacher who improperly stores it and shoots up a class?


A Week if the recent shooting trend is anything to go by.




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SOAPboy wrote:
Transient wrote:
How long until a kid just takes a gun from a teacher who improperly stores it and shoots up a class?


A Week if the recent shooting trend is anything to go by.

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SOAPboy wrote:
Transient wrote:
How long until a kid just takes a gun from a teacher who improperly stores it and shoots up a class?


A Week if the recent shooting trend is anything to go by.


Ha! Sad but true.




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PostPosted: 02-22-2018 10:47 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Trumps blaming videos games.




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PostPosted: 02-22-2018 01:35 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43158994

The NRA have Trump (and the US congress) in their pockets.

This event won't have any bearing on gun laws in the US, and neither will any of the mass school shootings still to come.




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PostPosted: 02-22-2018 02:01 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Doombrain wrote:
Trumps blaming videos games.


the Jack Thompson Manoeuvre




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So it turns out there was an armed officer stationed at the school. He heard gunshots and did fuckall.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... ce-officer

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According to Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel, that’s exactly what happened at the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting. Even with training and a weapon, the officer stalled — and allowed the shooting to continue for about four to six minutes as he stood outside the building. The deputy, Scot Peterson, has since quit.

“Devastated. Sick to my stomach. There are no words. These families lost their children. We lost coaches. I’ve been to the funerals,” Israel said at a press conference on Thursday. Asked what the officer should have done, Israel responded, “Went in. Addressed the killer. Killed the killer.”

This is more than just another horrific detail about the mass shooting that killed 17 people; it also directly contradicts the notion that simply putting a bunch of armed personnel in schools will stop shooters — the “good guy with a gun” theory.




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Transient wrote:
So it turns out there was an armed officer stationed at the school. He heard gunshots and did fuckall.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... ce-officer



Yeah. Said that.

SOAPboy wrote:

That school, Had an armed guard. He "never encountered the shooter", AKA he hid in a fuckin closet like a pussy.




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PostPosted: 02-22-2018 10:54 PM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


But armed personnel on the scene responds faster than police officers!
Fake news!




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PostPosted: 02-23-2018 02:28 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Pistol vs. AR15. Too fucking right he hid.




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PostPosted: 02-23-2018 02:48 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Aye - an armed Deputy. Trained presumably not just to fire his weapon, but also how to use it against someone.. and still he chokes.

So how is arming up teachers going to do anything at all - maybe it's different in the US and all primary/secondary teachers are action heroes? (Do Americans think Kindergarten Cop is a documentary?)
Or maybe "Armed Response" becomes part of the syllabus for teacher training in the US. Jesus.

I'm already horrified at the idea that US schools regularly drill lock-downs and evacuations. We do a fire drill maybe twice a year.

We all realise the USA is gun-crazy, but i'm genuinely incredulous as to how "arming teachers" was a suggestion that wasn't immediately met with ridicule.




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Guys, guys, guys. Reason has nothing to do with it. The NRA themselves can come up with 100 arguments on why it would be better to at least have stricter restrictions on gun ownership. It's just that it doesn't fit their agenda.




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Eraser wrote:
Guys, guys, guys. Reason has nothing to do with it. The NRA themselves can come up with 100 arguments on why it would be better to at least have stricter restrictions on gun ownership. It's just that it doesn't fit their agenda.


Absolutely - money/power/influence. I get that - it's just crazy to look over at the US and see the civilian population that are foaming at the mouth in defense of it all just so that they get to keep their own guns and rifles.


I have US friends on facebook who seem to be fine with the idea that an armed teacher could have "taken down" the attacker. ie. shoot and kill him.
We're all desensitized to violence sure, but... the idea that a secondary school teacher would be fine with shooting and KILLING someone - that sort of thing fucks up police officers for crying out loud, and they want Mrs Smith the languages teacher to take on that mental burden? crazy.




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Kempston Joy
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PostPosted: 02-23-2018 03:31 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


What you don't realise is the guys at the NRA are great people and will do the right thing. Thoughts and prayers.




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LOL. I don't even know why I give a shit, it's not even my country.




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PostPosted: 02-23-2018 03:41 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


America is stupid.




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Transient wrote:
So it turns out there was an armed officer stationed at the school. He heard gunshots and did fuckall.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... ce-officer


well obviously if he'd had more guns he would have felt confident enough to respond :|




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PostPosted: 02-23-2018 04:35 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


vesp wrote:
the idea that a secondary school teacher would be fine with shooting and KILLING someone


in front of a class full of children no less




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