Nice one, Faux News...

Fox News published digitally altered and misleading images on its website's homepage Friday that made a demonstration in Seattle, in which a group of largely peaceful Black Lives Matter protesters have occupied six city blocks, appear violent and dangerous.
The deceitful tactic was called out by The Seattle Times. The local newspaper reported that when it asked Fox News about the images, the network removed them.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/13/medi ... index.html

(edit: this post is in reply to YGP, not Transient)

There is clear and irrefutable proof that the police in general has a problem with negative race based prejudices and biases (aka: racism). I don't understand how, at this point, after everything that's been shown and done the past two weeks, you can still deny this.
Pointing out institutional racism in the police force won't fix it, but it's a start for action. In some places, action is being taken, further cementing the fact that there is a problem and it's large enough to need fixing. But in the police ranks, there's a secondary problem, and this is that cops are rarely if ever held accountable. Their racist behavior isn't corrected. In some cases, it's even implicitly encouraged.

Arguing that they're also doing good things is just... Jesus Christ man, it's such a red herring bullshit argument to throw in, it's actually quite distasteful at this point.

Even more distasteful is to claim it's a problem of "respect" on "both sides". That shit is just so detached from reality. I can just about hear Trump talk about Charlottesville again.

I'm thinking between you and Whiskey, he's probably the least racist of the two.

The whole notion that cops should fear for their lives is questionable at best.

Lol obviously Gramps u have never taken statistics..ur the one in the bubble. You show 2 examples... One not even in America.
Police officers have safe jobs. They don't even make any list of top dangerous jobs... Not even close

lol, when even Geoff chimes in to put you in your place it's time to just give up and admit defeat.

Spoken like a true dish washer.

Spoken like a true dish washer. Since it's not the most dangerous, it's not dangerous?

According to the FBI your odds of dying by police (during an arrest) is approximately 1 in 8,000. According to the National Safety council it is more likely that you die from bicycling, choking, fire, drowning, motorcycle or simply walking. So by your logic, we don't have an issue with police.

https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1268391718086422528

Sickening how the groping cop calls out to "hit her, hit her" and his buddies just go full on Predator on her.

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the rest of that Twitter thread is filled with similar stuff by the way. Unbelievable.
Idiots like YGP who still claim these are just incidents and there's no problem are totally disconnected from reality.

Ok that's going a little too far imho...

GitHub's entering PC madness by abolishing the term "master":

https://www.zdnet.com/article/github-to ... eferences/

The only adversity you face is getting your head through doorways and writing at a third grade level.

There are thousands and thousand of positive interaction every day, but that doesn't fit your narrative.

I guess you need to make shit up to win your arguments. I never said there was "no problem". There certainly is a problem. However, it not entirely a policing problem. It's a human problem. People have a natural fight or flight instinct that makes them do irrational things when they feel threatened. At times, this makes for tragic interactions between police and the public. Until you can remove the human condition from law enforcement bad things are going to happen.

Have you ever been on a ride along? Have you had detailed conversations with a law enforcement officer? Do you ever wonder why you think an officers actions are a bit harsh or abrupt when dealing with irrational or combative people? Have you ever done or watched any self defense training? Do you know how quickly you could be on the opposite end of a gun, maybe your own? Do you know how fast someone with a weapon can close the distance between you and them? One false move, one command ignored, one fraction of a second and you could be dead. Go to work every day with that in the back of your head... Why don't officers deserve the same respect as the citizens they protect. They have families that they want to go home to at the end of the day. They don't want to be risking their life every time they write a traffic citation. But they are.

I'm certain you and most people like you don't have a clue how difficult it is to be a police officer and make the best/right decision EVERY time while facing danger. Being the waste of skin that you are, I'm sure you don't care.

Cops ideally should be held to higher standards than the general populace, since they are, practically speaking, agents of the State who are tasked with enforcing the the law of the land. The fact that they are often not held to higher standards means that their plea for more respect falls on deaf ears. The fact that you can become a cop after simply completing a short degree and going through a short police academy program is testament to the fact that they are not held to higher standards than the general populace. As far as I can tell, pretty much any citizen with no prior criminal record, a relevant degree, a willingness to complete four to six months of police academy, and who has no obvious negative mental perturbations can become a cop. This is too lenient.

In my mind cops should be forced to receive some sort of law degrees at bare minimum. Maybe not as far as what a lawyer would do, since most of that has to do with studying case law, but there must be some reasonable middle ground. As far as I know this is not the case. Many citizens go through far more rigorous training and accreditation programs and receive far less power. The only one I can think of off the top of my head whereupon your professional role literally has peoples' lives at risk is that of a professional engineer. In many cases they have to complete a 4 to 8 year degree to even be *eligible* to apply for a professional engineer (P.E. or P.Eng) program, where they then take tutelage under a practicing professional engineer for a further 3 or 4 years. Then they write a test and say an oath, presumably somewhat similar to what a police officer would do. From there on out, they are personally liable for any designs or work that they stamp and sign. If a structural engineer stamps and signs off on the design of a bridge and it collapses four months after completion months and 300 people and all their cars fall into a river and die, the engineer is personally liable and can be taken to court. If they design an electrical system that catches on fire due to negligence in designing the circuit breaker coordination or protective schemes, and it burns down the building killing 80 people, their ass is on the line. Engineers carry liability insurance for this. When was the last fucking time you heard of an engineer being sued in civil court for the deaths of people? I am sure it happens, but it sure the fuck does not happen as often as I have to read about some fucking cowboy shooting someone in the back because he has shit for training and can't handle stress, or because he is just a straight up murderous piece of shit. The reason for this is because professional engineers receive more fucking training, so the dumb pieces of shit get weeded out.

Obviously not every single cop in the world is a piece of shit, but the system itself is at fault, not the people. One of the roles of the system is to weed out scumbag psychopaths from entering the force. You mentioned that it is a people problem - so you agree there. The bad people in the force are a product of the system which provides inadequate training, inadequate admittance procedures, and protects those who commit crimes against their fellow man. Unfortunately fixing people is not only impossible, it's not the actual problem. I've seen so many cases of cops getting put on paid administrative leave, or collecting their pension, after committing heinous crimes. This is part of the rot of the system that I'm talking about. Derek Chauvin was a cop for almost 20 years and yet he somehow thought it was kosher to kneel directly onto someone's jugular vein and windpipe for nearly nine minutes, even though the guy was in handcuffs on his stomach on the ground. I'm not trying to argue that you think Derek is cool - I think we can all agree he is a piece of shit who should spend the rest of his life in prison. I'm trying to argue that the system let him through the cracks, and that is the root problem. Until major reforms are made to this system, nothing will change. Based on the pathetic video of the police union boss screaming into the void the other day - good fucking luck Americans.

The other point is that cops make pretty good money as far as I know. It's probably not enough to become a millionaire overnight or whatever, but I would expect that most cops that have been at it for 10+ years probably pull in six figures. In an ideal world the pay should be based on skill and proficiency at the job, risk factors, etc. If any citizen pulled a mere fraction of the kind of shit that cops get away with on a daily basis, their ass would be fucking curbside in the blink of an eye.