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dzjepp
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PostPosted: 04-23-2005 11:23 PM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Just pick up some tutorials online, or better yet, get Ut2k4 Editors Choice and watch the fabulous video training modules it comes with :paranoid:
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redfella
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PostPosted: 04-24-2005 06:11 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


http://www.levelsource.com > redfellas > tutorials

World-reknown first class nub tuts. Hf.



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Fjoggs
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PostPosted: 04-24-2005 06:31 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


lol. not everything in your tuts are the best way of construction.
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PostPosted: 04-24-2005 07:34 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Fjoggs wrote:
lol. not everything in your tuts are the best way of construction.


Yea, unfortunately I am aware of that. I made them awhile ago... Before I became aware of better, slicker production methods. Namely, the non-orthgonal room tutorial needs to be completely redone - that's a big mess as it stands now.



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PostPosted: 04-24-2005 08:23 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


hehe, it won't take long, and it can help newbies. My advice would be get it done as quickly as poss. ;)
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PostPosted: 04-24-2005 10:50 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Hrrm. If I lived closer to you, I prolly could be bribed into showing up if a case of beer or some pr0n women were there, but alas, I live farther then 6 hours from you :P .



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PostPosted: 04-24-2005 11:01 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Pay my flight, and I'll be there ! :p
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the most important thing is getting to know the editor, and finaly getting your own smooth "way of the mapperai" , you cant learn all in just one weekend, you're in-editor "movement and doings"-speed cant keep up with the level that you want to be taught at, just lay back and give it the time that it needs, fool around, dont start a map when you start to learn, start with a room, edit it, rebuild it, and scratch that, and go make an area thats not just a room thats not as ugly as the thing from before.

and a personal thought: dont try to make a spacemap.
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PostPosted: 04-24-2005 04:54 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Building on what corsair said.... Always, always, always, ditch your first map.

Heres what I do when I approach mapping for a new engine/game:

1) make a couple test maps that focus on any new things that I may be unfamiliar with

2) make a "first map" that is a basically just a slammed together, half-assed attempt at making a map from start to finish utilizing the new tech

3) create my REAL first map, and do it correctly.

This method has worked for me a numerous amount of times, and should work for anyone getting into a new engine/game or mapping for the first time.



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PostPosted: 04-25-2005 08:18 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


FFS guys, this isnt General, This isnt R&R.. take you're shit elsewhere borke



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PostPosted: 04-25-2005 08:36 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


That's quite enough from either of you. LEM isn't the place for this.

Thanks SOAPboy.



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PostPosted: 04-26-2005 12:13 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


obsidian wrote:
That's quite enough from either of you. LEM isn't the place for this.

Thanks SOAPboy.



NP, i really like this forum, i see alot of neat shit being made and enjoy tricking on some of the maps that get shown.. it just sucks when people fuck it up..



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fuck off troll wannabe.


I'm not trolling dude, I'm giving what you asked for...the piddla remark was a fucking joke. :icon27: Don't get your fucking panies in a wad... :shrug:


Explain (in qwfix or something) why you were being a prick in every post back to him then.. Seriously, just stop, drop it, and move on..



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This discussion is over. Whether or not you were joking is besides the point. This is a technical forum so keep your comments strictly technical or take it somewhere else.



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PostPosted: 04-26-2005 06:50 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


corsair wrote:
the most important thing is getting to know the editor, and finaly getting your own smooth "way of the mapperai" , you cant learn all in just one weekend, you're in-editor "movement and doings"-speed cant keep up with the level that you want to be taught at, just lay back and give it the time that it needs, fool around, dont start a map when you start to learn, start with a room, edit it, rebuild it, and scratch that, and go make an area thats not just a room thats not as ugly as the thing from before.

and a personal thought: dont try to make a spacemap.


:icon14:

also, someone suggested here recently that making 'components' for a map was a good way to get started.

can definitely second that - making yourself a 'toolkit' of prefabs or bits of maps that can be cut'n'pasted into other maps teaches you a lot about mapping and using the editor - it also means that in the future you can work a lot faster, which is handy if you've got an idea to get out and can't be arsed to spend a long time fiddling with minutae.
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PostPosted: 04-28-2005 03:41 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Thread cleaned up. Misc bullshit posts removed.
People want to flame, troll, talk shit or otherwise that doesnt meet this forum standards, take it to R&R.

And if you have trouble understanding that, keep fucking around and you'll be banned from this forum.



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PostPosted: 05-15-2005 08:03 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Fjoggs wrote:
Pay my flight, and I'll be there ! :p


fjoggs i think your mapping may scare him
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PostPosted: 05-16-2005 02:38 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


well, you could come up here to Raleigh, might take you 16-18 hours or so (guessing)... but I'd help you. :)



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PostPosted: 05-17-2005 02:49 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Amorak2 wrote:
Fjoggs wrote:
Pay my flight, and I'll be there ! :p


fjoggs i think your mapping may scare him


What do you mean? :paranoid:
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PostPosted: 05-17-2005 05:44 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


It's too good, incomprehensible for mere americans. :D



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