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Pat Howard
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PostPosted: 10-12-2009 05:23 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


I agree that this shot isn't as amazing as the other ones but I think it's simply the new wood texture that's throwing me off. It looks like something I'd see in a ski lodge rather than a castle. While I like the texture I think it should be changed. It just doesn't fit for this map.
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PostPosted: 10-12-2009 05:28 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Much of the wood is still there. Sock never posted a screenshot of this particular hallway here before, but he actually has MORE wood here now than it did before.

BTW Sock, try running the first part of the map with "r_clear 1", I'm pretty sure there's something wrong with the skybox popping in and out of view.

I also liked the alternating colours on the steps before, though the new stone looks better. Perhaps create a darker variation of that new stone and alternate between textures with each step.



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PostPosted: 10-13-2009 05:19 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote




A quick muck around in Terragen, trying out different clouds layers. I know it is not like a photo sourced cloudsky but it does have a nice feeling about it.

@Obs, I was trying to avoid the obvious alternate step colours, but a light/dark version works good. I want to try and keep the stone more neutral to give the map a brighter feel, sort of fed up with dark and gloomy, annoying for gameplay and screenshots. The problem with r_clear+personal teleporter is strange, I noticed it a long time ago. The personal teleporter was used for 2 secret areas, but they have changed as you can escape normally, probably switch personal teleporter for a shotgun instead.

@fkd, this is a very low key area, the architectural shapes are subtle and more about mirrored balance. The crazy wood rooms are later, this is just the second room and is meant to be bright, like a viewing deck.

@pat, I thought that wood was the best texture I made from my recent photo source stuff, very good original image. I can see what you mean by the freshness of the wood, but this art set is suppose to take the map in a different direction. There will be two sets, one using ID (dark, brown, extra brown) and this one, lighter, more mountain air like.



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PostPosted: 10-13-2009 02:49 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


@sock: I love the light level on these last screenshots. I know they are tweaked in photoshop cause of the darkness of q3 screenshotting, but, I just mean, I'm hoping the map ingame looks just like that.
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@Jal, the latest screenshots have very little photoshop changes to them, the actual screenshots produced by Q3 are very close to these. The map use to be very dark (laptop+cave did not help) but it is alot brighter nowadays.

Still working away on replacing all the ID textures I used with double density versions, got a couple of before and after shots showing the difference. URL links because the images are very big in file size.

http://www.simonoc.com/images/design/maps_q3/moteof1de1l_texcompare1.jpg
http://www.simonoc.com/images/design/maps_q3/moteof1de1l_texcompare2.jpg



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Hi, here are some screenshots of the map I'm still working on from time to time.
It's nearly finished.

Tower 1


Moved to this topic including Beta version:
http://www.quake3forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=41833&sid=ffabc1aec0ed243a58e742603ce88454




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PostPosted: 10-22-2009 03:07 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


T_Creutzenberg,
once you have a beta ready, open a new thread, and let us download/test the map :toothy: ... the feedback you get might actually be useful ;).
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Pat Howard
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PostPosted: 10-23-2009 03:34 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


T_Creutzenberg wrote:
Hi, here are some screenshots of the map I'm still working on from time to time.
It's nearly finished.


Wow. That map looks absolutely incredible - like a Q4 map or something. Please finish it :).
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More texture/lighting updates ...



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the only nitpick i have is the maptitle
srsly, its right up there with "the nameless place" and "the bouncy map" =/
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Haha agreed, except about the nameless place, that's just awesome bro ;p

@ T_Creutzenberg, looks nice from the shots, i might have to check it out.
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Hah. I actually found this name sounding rather "Myst"-esque. Which makes sense to me, seeing it's a puzzle-map...



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@MKJ, the title of the map is a play on words of a Star Trek episode City on the Edge of Forever. The map features the Guardian and is located in an isolated area with 'myst' like machines that have been forgotten about.



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isolated area with 'myst' like machines

As long as I don't have to swap CD's everytime I leave an area (like in Myst and Riven) then turn a valve handle and then swap CD's again to go back, it's all good.
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Rosy eyed glasses of nostalgia made me forget about all the CD swapping in those games (and I now recall beating my head on my desk and running around the entire world for the nth time trying to solve some of those puzzles).



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PostPosted: 10-29-2009 10:03 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


@Sock, I'm interested to see how you've scaled this thing. I'm putting together an alpha for a realistic map right now and I'm having serious problems getting the scale right since everything needs to be larger on the XY to let Q3A's movement breathe. Then again, players probably won't be doing too much movement in this map so I suppose you can get away with tight doors and windows. Still, it will be cool to see how you do that stuff.

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If you build anything 1:1 relative to the player size, everything will look 2x smaller than they should and with Q3's movement physics, about 4x smaller. This makes everything a little wonky to begin with if you're trying to make anything realistic. Most "realistic" Q3 engine games tone down the movement speed and height significantly from Q3's defaults.

Sock's map "looks" realistic but it is quite open. However, if you go into 3rd person mode, you'll see that all the control panels have switches and buttons that you can easily use with boxing gloves on.

You'll have to decide whether you want things to look right relative to the player model or look and feel right relative to the player's FoV. In most cases, I think you would want the latter.



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Think about Soviet when building, then you'll get the right scale in Q3...



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@Pat, Q3 scale is always crazy large and making stuff looking real scale always ends badly. The problem with Q3 and scale is that the player movement is too fast, you can jump off buildings and survive, and bunny hop like a grasshopper on speed which completely breaks the illusion of reality environments.

My latest map has 192-256 wide hallways, 192 high door/archways and no ladders or jump pads. I would personally recommend you take all measurements and times then by 3 or better still, build soviet style! :P Giant structures with huge sweeping arches and support beams. Also remember to add small details, so it will give your soviet stuff a scale reference.

@Mrlego, there is only one load time, 5 puzzles, 10 secrets and 2 endings! Should be enough to keep you busy for a while. This map is really only for people who love finding stuff or trying out visual puzzles, everyone else will just get frustrated and hate it! ooops it seems my target audience is probably going to be 5 people! :p



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Haha thanks for the scale advice guys. I thought I was going crazy there for a while. I've basically been building things to about 3x scale. Movement isn't too cramped and things don't look way too big, so 3x seems to be the best compromise between those two things.
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Nearly finished with the new textures ...



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damn! those bricks are sweet!
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Early stages of this years Unearthly Challenge entry. More info here.

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@sock: Truly epic brushwork man.

@kat: Awesome terrain. You make the Quake 4 engine really shine. Good luck in the competition.
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Unearthly challange, yes, cool stuff, my friend won that thing last year...
How advanced will you go?

I would love to enter, but I can't really do that using the Q3 engine, I need to wait for rage and also speed up my modeling, takes to long time now...



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@Kat: Is that terrain using a single texture?
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The 'Unearthly challange' should be renamed 'Unearthly screenshot', I never get the impression that the competition is about making stuff that runs inside of a game engine but about creating something with a million polys and looks nice!

@kat, I think this is where you probably go wrong with the Quake engines for the competition, you seem to be trying to make something that runs good ingame as well, which IMHO is pointless. The other thing is the lighting on your screenshot looks really odd, very dark shadows next to full bright rocks. I am sure this is just a quick render/preview but it looks really odd. Also the textures on your rocks looks too low resolution for the size of them, it feels like to me the rock face is really small and low to the ground.



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sock wrote:
The 'Unearthly challange' should be renamed 'Unearthly screenshot', I never get the impression that the competition is about making stuff that runs inside of a game engine but about creating something with a million polys and looks nice!

@kat, I think this is where you probably go wrong with the Quake engines for the competition, you seem to be trying to make something that runs good ingame as well, which IMHO is pointless. The other thing is the lighting on your screenshot looks really odd, very dark shadows next to full bright rocks. I am sure this is just a quick render/preview but it looks really odd. Also the textures on your rocks looks too low resolution for the size of them, it feels like to me the rock face is really small and low to the ground.


I don't think the contest ever said that they aim to get things playable in-game really, isn't more about creating the "best you can" within a game engine or something similar?



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sock wrote:
The 'Unearthly challange' should be renamed 'Unearthly screenshot', I never get the impression that the competition is about making stuff that runs inside of a game engine but about creating something with a million polys and looks nice!

@kat, I think this is where you probably go wrong with the Quake engines for the competition, you seem to be trying to make something that runs good ingame as well, which IMHO is pointless. The other thing is the lighting on your screenshot looks really odd, very dark shadows next to full bright rocks. I am sure this is just a quick render/preview but it looks really odd. Also the textures on your rocks looks too low resolution for the size of them, it feels like to me the rock face is really small and low to the ground.
I agree with the general sentiment so everything I'm doing is being done from the point of view that it *can* be run in game, else, as you point out, what's the point, you might as well be rendering stills in Max, Maya et-al. I've never been one for following the rules ;o)

You are right about engine choice though as overall I think a good 90% of entries are using Unreal 3, the rest are probably using comparatively recent proprietary tech their own studios are using (a lot of entries are from studio based guys it seems, using the tech in a professional capacity); personally I'd rather use the time otherwise spent learning those tools doing something I know can be done... you can waste so much time simply trying to find out where the tools are never mind actually use them when looking at new tech (as you know ;o) ).

The scene is lit with the sun effectively top-left hence the over arching shadows from that side, it's done like that on purpose to make sure the 'entrance light' can be clearly seen (because it's then in shadow and not having to fight to be seen against fully lit surfaces). Textures hold up OK, it's just that shot that makes them look a little blurry. Still some ways to go on this though so will post some updates when I get a chance to.

@ jal_: no it's textured in the 'traditional' manner as there's a 4096 texture limit; the mesh itself is almost that size so creating any form of 'megatexture' of suitable resolution would pretty much use up the allotted max.



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Damn Kat, I'm busy for a few weeks and you're posting stuff! I know this is early stages, but the terrain itself...phew, you really have become the rock and terrain king of idtech :)
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Created a new ivy texture, that I use for falling and growing ivy - so I've pretty much locked down the graphical design on the outside areas now, now I just need to polish it a little bit more add some background structures and so.

This is the old ivy:
http://zfight.com/misc/images/maps/m8/m8_17.jpg


The following shows the new.











Also I need to fin up the boring parts on the insides - I'm gonna sit a lot this weekend.
Trying to get every second I can these days, I speed-eat at lunch so I can sit more =)

From the beginning this level should have been fin like two months ago, now I hope I can get it out before December...



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Kat wrote:
@ jal_: no it's textured in the 'traditional' manner as there's a 4096 texture limit; the mesh itself is almost that size so creating any form of 'megatexture' of suitable resolution would pretty much use up the allotted max.

The traditional way being? Because I have a hard time telling that can be alpha blending.
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Kat wrote:
...there's a 4096 texture limit...


Hey get with the times, it's 8192 if you use any hardware released over the past few years! :P
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Guardian hub room ...



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