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CZQ3TOURNEY1 - SCHÖNA
Alpha 4 Download and Screenshots
One small map is growing up on my hard drive. Alpha 4 is up to be downloaded and tested.

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PK3 : (584 kB)
ZIP : (584 kB)

Screenshots are in last post.
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:arrow: This post will be updated with next releases <-



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if you want a good answer, you should post up the map for us to run around in. I can't really tell what the map is like from those shots since its all using the same texture
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It's CZghost so it'll never come to that
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Okay, will complete lights if anything missed, compile and let you run the map :)



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yeah just throw a few lights in to give the map a bit depth and put a download up. doesnt matter how rough it looks. My maps look no better lol
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Download is up. In the main atrium there should be something definitely, just don't know what...



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Looks promising so far.

Few points:

I know its still early and this will probably change anyway, but I would seperate the RA and MH. Having them right next to each other isnt very ballanced.

The elevator that takes you up to the top should be replaced with a jump pad.

I know its still early, but there should be another large area. Or at least have multiple connecting corridoors going around the main room. At the moment there is not alot of places to go, other than the main room.

Definitely continue. The brushwork looks nice and clean.
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Okay. I will try to move MH on the ground and replace RA with YA (to increase possibility of risk and improve balance). I can try to add jump-down hole in the PG area leading to new large area, only a bit smaller than the main courtyard (atrium)...



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That lift is a bit too slow for my tastes. A jumppad would be better I think, although the height difference is a bit large. I'd also put something more worthwhile up there than a PG.
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Eraser wrote:
That lift is a bit too slow for my tastes. A jumppad would be better I think, although the height difference is a bit large. I'd also put something more worthwhile up there than a PG.

with the window being up there, a railgun would probably be a good choice.
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Yeah, add some more Areas!
If you want send me a copy of your *.map file, i have some Ideas. :)



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Very bland
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Theftbot wrote:
Very bland

maybe because it isn't finished....?
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Theftbot wrote:
Very bland

Now it's about layout mostly, do not look at the textures, they're there only to make the layout visible.

AndyW wrote:
Yeah, add some more Areas!
If you want send me a copy of your *.map file, i have some Ideas. :)

If you take screenshots, make some marks and describe what would you like, it would be enough to tell. If you feel not, then I will send you the map file :)



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I tested your map. The very first thing which I faced is the map size.
Could you make it even more bigger, and more complex (in vertical and horizontal plane)?



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I can. I wrote two reviews for Stargate map pack and Goldleaf on lvlworld.com, so I jump to developing this one now :)



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Screenshots Alpha 2:

Main courtyard with Megahealth placed down.


Red Armor moved here, shootable grates allow some risk from above.


An attempt to make slide down tunnel, maybe I should replace it with something little else.


Plasmagun replaced with Railgun (Cells by Slugs as well), digged an entry.


Launchramp with Shotgun leading to powerup.


Yellow Armor at teleport exit.

Download is in first post.



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I see there's no feedback. So I am moving it in the freeze now. I am working on testing projects aside - one from the real world (our backyard) and one terrain map for Team Arena (again)...



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CZghost wrote:
I am moving it in the freeze now.


How surprising :olo:
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Seriously though: CZghost, one of the most important virtues in life (especially in professional life, you know, when you have a real job with real responsibilities) is the ability to actually finish something.

Starting is never hard, it's actually finishing that's the tricky part. It's also the most satisfying part though, and it'll really do your ego good to be able to show something and say "hey, this is finished and it's exactly how I want it to be", even if there's no one that gives you feedback. For your own personal self you'll have proven that you've got what it takes to finish something.

That also echoes through in how people treat you. Any idea why people aren't overly enthusiastic to give you feedback? Not because your map isn't as impressive looking as Pat Howard's work but because people feel that their feedback is falling on deaf ears. When people give feedback or tips to Pat or AndyW or AndehX with his Q1 remakes they know the authors are listening and possibly even taking the tips to heart which will eventually result in a better map that they might actually get to play.

With you though, we can give all the feedback we like, but it's very likely that the map never sees the light of day at all so giving the feedback has been a wasted effort. Once again you prove this is true. It's a shame, I'd really like to see you succeed for once and actually release a map. It's been years now man.
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I'll draw new layout corresponding to the last existing one with some changes and more complexicity in heights and size. Anyway, it's not important thing, actualy I have to improve in school.



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I have a very little time to update, but I reworked the additional area at least. I returned basic layout back to alpha 1 with minor change in the railgun area (it was plasmagun area before update) that takes it by jumppad through a staircase. It's one-way-flow hallway, you can't make it backwards without being hurt. Anyway, there's a teleport that means exit from the jail-like room... The second big area from A2 was moved to the opposite side and has completely reworked layout, now it's connecting through lower-teleport room with a pathway to railgun and by jumppad it's possible to reach shotgun platform holding launchramp that sends player towards powerup spawning place. I made at least the new layout with very few items, no lights here. As I said, I have very little time. Screenshots from editor, I will place in-game shots after finishing the update.
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Without textures, this does not show too much for me. Could you post a compiled map?
Why do you use so many botroam (on the stairs at the last shot) on the same place?



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Martinus wrote:
Without textures, this does not show too much for me. Could you post a compiled map?

Actualy, textures do not take a place right now as it is still in alpha version that focus on layout and gameplay. I can't post compiled map right now, this version is not finished yet and I said I have very little time to update...

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Why do you use so many botroam (on the stairs at the last shot) on the same place?

If you mean it's unneccessary to have that botroams on stairs, I will remove some, but I would like to keep some there (not only one) to make sure bots take the stairs. If bots do not route somewhere for some reason, I would probably include botroam also there...



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If you want to interest an area for bots, place there ONE botroam, then set the "weight" key (0-400, good values are between 100-300) :up:



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Alpha 3 is up now. I did not include bot support yet, I am looking for scaling, layout and item placement feedback the most.


If you like, you can set up a server to test online gameplay. Also, tell me whatever to include bot support or not yet, and tell me if I should start designing visuals and prepare for moving into beta or wait with texturing and detailing...



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It's still small a bit for me.
I see some empty places and walls were you could put something interesting (doorways or platforms) to improve your map.

That little "health column" is a bit familiar to me... I might sure, I saw that somewhere else, but I don't know where! :)



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It might be Tresspass by Pat :) Yes, I am inspired by Pat's work, so I might take some ideas from him - anyway - it's not copying as the surrounding is from scratch... I just liked the Pat's idea having a column with health on it and ported that in my map... Anyway, I'd add some visuals to the bare walls to make them less boring, but after the map will improve enough to start bother about the visuals. I might add some sidewalks behind the wall here with doors, just need some inspiration :) Anyway, it's a tournament map, which has to be small as it may hold two players only by default. Sure it can be played as classic deathmatch with up to four players...



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The main atrium with the MH is a bit big for my eye.
You're are going to have a big problem detailing that. I guess it's scaled that way because of the stairs. I'd dump the stairs, because they are too steep, and far too many! This would enable you to reduce the long lines of sight in that area.
At the lower level, the passage ways are tight and labyrinthine. I'd think of a way to open these up.
The other atrium seems lacking thought. A series of gimmicks really.
I don't really understand the point of the lava pool. If you have some awesome extraneous detail in mind, then that's fine. I like pointless extraneous detail. If you don't, than that area is pretty pointless. No one likes traps, especially when they don't work.
It's a start. Keep going.
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Okay, so I will make the MH atrium smaller and remove stairs - replace them with jumppad. Then how to deal with the bare wall? Well, new corridor connecting with the second atrium. Enlarge tiny corridors a bit and make them less about being lost. I think I will replace the lava pit by a fog pit, but I do it maybe during visuals - think of a cavement void...



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CZghost wrote:
Alpha 3 is up now. I did not include bot support yet, I am looking for scaling, layout and item placement feedback the most.


If you like, you can set up a server to test online gameplay. Also, tell me whatever to include bot support or not yet, and tell me if I should start designing visuals and prepare for moving into beta or wait with texturing and detailing...


Put something on that wall wich is in front of the camera. That wall is just too empty.
There should be a doorway or hallway in my opinion.



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@Martinus: Well, this is the one that is disscussed there at the moment - I might add some sidewalks behind the wall. Maybe there will be some stairs and jumppad at the other side. Should I keep the fireplace? Should I place something below it? New doors?

Anyway I think about mix of natural cavements with high-tech features in visuals. And I might name the map temporarily Schöna (I was recently in eastern Germany - Sachsen, and I think it's nice name for a map)...

So I will jump to making such edits and see you with new version :)



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In my optinion:

Put on that empty wall a hallway, which ended in another bigger area. Connect that new area to where the lava with a jumpad is.
You will increase the size of your map, and keep it in tourney size as well! :up:

Absolutely keep that fireplace. Everything like that could improve your maps looking. You should add more visulas to your map (in the future)

I can imagine a pit, or downstair at where the megahealt is (like a similar way in q3dm7 where the red armor is).
That can add more complexity to your map

...in my opinion!

I hope I helped you with my opinions! :)



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I am afraid that even now it's quite bigger than average tournament map is. As I said, I can add a sidewalk behind the wall, as you adviced it can be extended to the jumppad area, but I'd not add another large area, maybe some medium sized room belong the sidewalk. Thank you for the pit idea, player will be protected a bit from longlength sight grabbing MH, but still be vulnerable from above :up:



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