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Author:  kaustic [ 06-06-2020 05:18 PM ]
Post subject:  Work in progress - aty3dm10

How's Everyone doing these days? I've had mappers block with this map for over 2 years and finally
over the last few days I have made some progress. There is nothing in the map yet,the lighting is
minimum and may be dark for some but should ok. Just looking for some input as usual. Thanks

Download link - maybe later.

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Author:  kaustic [ 06-08-2020 06:14 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: Work in progress - aty3dm10

Still working on it.

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Author:  RaspAtan [ 07-23-2020 11:57 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: Work in progress - aty3dm10

Looks neat! Do you mind sharing the file to have a proper look at it?

Author:  kaustic [ 08-06-2020 11:36 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: Work in progress - aty3dm10

Sorry ,been distracted from this lately. I'll have to put a pk3 together. I had been having issues with shadows not looking proper. At the moment I have a different skybox than the one in the earlier screenshots.

Author:  kaustic [ 08-07-2020 12:57 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: Work in progress - aty3dm10

This is where I'm at. Shadows look way better than previous compiles.
Download Link- https://www.mediafire.com/file/2aecgbgr ... 0.pk3/file

Author:  RaspAtan [ 09-02-2020 09:19 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: Work in progress - aty3dm10

kaustic wrote:
This is where I'm at. Shadows look way better than previous compiles.
Download Link- https://www.mediafire.com/file/2aecgbgr ... 0.pk3/file


Thanks for sharing. My humble advice:

- Mark the spot of weapons with a nice texture and brush. At the moment they look like they were dropped by a death player.
- Location of weapons is not ideal. Railgun should be in the middle of the map where the quad is (its a map that benefits campers so you want it to be as accessible and exposed as possible). Put the quad where the MH is.
- There must be incentives for players to occupy all the space of the map. For this you can use items like MH and armors. The map is very open so a lot of damage is likely to happen (plus, there is a quad!). Thus, add one red armor and two yellow armors and place them in locations that force the player to move around instead of being parked at one place, and spaced enough so you cannot get the red armor and the MH in 5 seconds apart. Another example. The only high platform in one corner has no weapon. Why to ever go there? I would put the lightgun there, or maybe the granade launcher (which can then be nicely to attack the railgun room (where quad is) or the highest platform (where I suggest quad should be).
- Where the teleport is, add a bouncer so you can reach the platform immediately above. Currently, there is a big detour to get to it. Similarly for the room where the lightgun is (under the railgun), and every other corner. The more connected the areas the faster the gameplay.
- Too many random items laying around. They distract from gameplay. Items should be enough and strategically placed to motivate players to collect them. For instance, sometimes you have ammo for the RL, GL and SG. It's unlikely in this map that people will have all of them (its openness only means fast paced games). Instead you can have ammo + shards, for example. This gives incentives to go and collect them.
- Some items are not proper. You have 3 x 50 health together in one place, when all you could ever need is 2. Only have 1 in a given location, because that is enough incentive to get them.
- Add a teleport to increase connectivity and flow. For instance, one in the bottom floor (where the shotgun is, or where the yellow armor is) taking you to the high platform in the corner (where I suggest you put the grenade launcher).
- There is an unbalance in the current layout. You can get the quad, and then go up to the mega. but getting the mega is not quick in you are at the other side. So check the accessibility and items are well balanced, otherwise you end up with players in one side of the map only. A teleport can help here too.

Having said that, it's a cool layout. Looking forward to see a new version in the near future!

Author:  kaustic [ 09-09-2020 11:21 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: Work in progress - aty3dm10

As you can tell it took me less than 10 minutes to place the weapons and items. I didn't give it much thought knowing
I would have to move most of it anyway. Thank you for your time to give me some input.

Author:  Fruity [ 09-20-2020 04:10 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: Work in progress - aty3dm10

Cool, It's a pity that there are no bots because I would play, but the map is interesting, I'm waiting for updates (and bots :-D) if it works

Author:  RaspAtan [ 10-27-2020 05:02 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: Work in progress - aty3dm10

@kaustic Hey, no offense intended! I see now that you are an experienced mapper, so clearly most of the comments didn't make sense and could indeed look insulting. Far from the intention. I hope some comments are still of help (like the teleport suggestion), and you can still inspire item placement from my advice. In any case, looking forward to it!

Author:  kaustic [ 12-15-2020 01:06 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: Work in progress - aty3dm10

RaspAtan no offense taken. Fact is I should just label it as an Instagib Map intended for use with OSP, Beryllium,InstaUnlagged and Freeze Tag. Its suited to those those best I feel. I never was a big fan of Vanilla Q3 or CPM so when you look at any of my maps item placement has always been least of my priorities and mostly done with the help of other peoples input because my brain isn't wired for VQ3 since I really cant stand playing it because its too slow and always turns into a machine gun battle because theres never enough of anything to go around when you get past 2 or 3 players in a reasonable sized map.

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