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Topic Starter	Topic: Internet brawsers hate this computer
AmIdYfReAk Elite Joined: 10 Feb 2000 Posts: 28023	Posted: 07-28-2010 05:51 AM                  Well, this an interesting thing. I've recently got this computer up and running, At first with windows Vista biz ( i know, horrible ) After about 3 weeks of using the computer, Firefox started crashing to the point where you couldn't OPEN the thing. So i uninstalled it, and installed chrome. Within a week, it was doing the same. Uninstalled that, and updated internet exploder 8 Also within a week it was crashing to the point where you couldn't open it. So one would think that the computer is unstable, Bad ram, Etc.. .but this is the kicker, I'll let the screen shot explain. As you can see, it now has windows XP loaded, and its been 5 days since its been fully updated and running.. and Firefox crashed three times yesterday. Anyone have any ideas on what to try? also, here is the system specs: http://amidy.mine.nu/ION-PC.html Thanks!
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^misantropia^ Mentor Joined: 12 Mar 2005 Posts: 3958	Posted: 07-28-2010 08:31 AM                  What about other long-runnning apps? Stable or crashy?
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AmIdYfReAk Elite Joined: 10 Feb 2000 Posts: 28023	Posted: 07-28-2010 08:58 AM                  Not a peep from anything else, Windows hasn't crashed, nor has other common applications like MSN live messenger, or etc.
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4days 4days Joined: 15 Apr 2002 Posts: 8193	Posted: 07-28-2010 09:53 AM                  what have you had running from or at startup on both OS's? if it's affecting every browser but nothing else then another program or service would seem the most likely culprit - that or a dodgy firewall.
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AmIdYfReAk Elite Joined: 10 Feb 2000 Posts: 28023	Posted: 07-28-2010 08:03 PM                  The only common thing is Microsoft Security essentials, but it will crash even when uninstalled. Though, The thing mostly crashed when anything was flash based was being displayed, and lets be honest, what isn't these days? But uninstalling the flash player made no change.
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axbaby axbaby Joined: 22 Dec 1999 Posts: 17369	Posted: 07-28-2010 09:32 PM                  recent changes maybe -recently installed ethernet drivers? -virtual memory -connection tweaks -windows update -poorly removed software -startup item -system restore - a billion other things you now the regular drill obviously a memory leak somwhere so it must be software _________________ [WYD]
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AmIdYfReAk Elite Joined: 10 Feb 2000 Posts: 28023	Posted: 07-29-2010 05:15 AM                  Currently its a fresh, and fully updated windows install... No tweaks add'd... What is a FREE graphics program that i can loop to test it? i know ATI tool has one, is that the only offering??
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Grenader Mercenary Joined: 08 Oct 2006 Posts: 200	Posted: 07-29-2010 09:25 AM                  OCCT? Furmark?
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4days 4days Joined: 15 Apr 2002 Posts: 8193	Posted: 07-29-2010 11:44 AM                  what does the crash report from firefox say?
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AmIdYfReAk Elite Joined: 10 Feb 2000 Posts: 28023	Posted: 07-29-2010 12:45 PM                  Grenader wrote: OCCT? Furmark? OCCT is the same as ATI tool, Furmark also fits under that as well 4days wrote: what does the crash report from firefox say? Most of the crashes have happened when the computer was in Vista, Flash has crashed twice since the XP install ( last monday ). I will check the logs and post what i find.
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AmIdYfReAk Elite Joined: 10 Feb 2000 Posts: 28023	Posted: 07-29-2010 01:21 PM                  Hopefully this link will work correctly for you guys, http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/i ... ca62100725 But its pointing to NPSWF32.dll crashing, That DLL belongs to Flash, But again, it really hasn't happened on this install yet.
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axbaby axbaby Joined: 22 Dec 1999 Posts: 17369	Posted: 07-29-2010 02:39 PM                  Yup Adobe dll for various services http://www.processlibrary.com/directory/files/npswf32/ i disable all adobe shit on startup with my favorite peice of software for keeping my system humming along nicely advanced systemcare http://www.iobit.com/download.html#freesoftware _________________ [WYD]
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AmIdYfReAk Elite Joined: 10 Feb 2000 Posts: 28023	Posted: 08-11-2010 11:07 AM                  http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/i ... cfa2100811 http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/i ... a822100810 http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/i ... 5ea2100810 http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/i ... c872100811
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AmIdYfReAk Elite Joined: 10 Feb 2000 Posts: 28023	Posted: 08-15-2010 07:31 AM                  12 hours running prime, No errors. 5 hour Spinrite run, No errors. 10 hours of Memtest+, No errors. this is messed up.
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Deathshroud !Berserker! Joined: 22 Feb 2005 Posts: 2100	Posted: 08-15-2010 03:09 PM                    It sounds like one of the drivers is faulty. If you can run these fairly basic benchmarks/tests without any trouble, I'd say one of the drivers is attempting to allow some process to take place that is not part of those tests. I would try installing a different video card driver. Maybe the GPU acceleration of flash 10.1 is attempting to interface with the driver API and bombing out because the driver is bad.
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AmIdYfReAk Elite Joined: 10 Feb 2000 Posts: 28023	Posted: 08-15-2010 10:19 PM                  Thats what i was thinking as well, The most crashes on vista where caused by flash, Though here in XP its a bit more of a toss up.
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AmIdYfReAk Elite Joined: 10 Feb 2000 Posts: 28023	Posted: 08-16-2010 08:27 AM                  Well, today was the day. Instant crashes, So i disabled Security essentials, Deleted everything in the plugins folder in Firefox and upgraded/reinstalled. its up and working for the moment, But who knows for how long? http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/i ... a842100816 edit: it crashed while posting this....
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AmIdYfReAk Elite Joined: 10 Feb 2000 Posts: 28023	Posted: 08-16-2010 08:28 AM                  Oh, i forgot to add, All drivers are up to date. i checked through that this morning.
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4days 4days Joined: 15 Apr 2002 Posts: 8193	Posted: 08-16-2010 10:14 AM                  assuming it's using the onboard, do you have another card you could try it with after disabling the onboard?
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AmIdYfReAk Elite Joined: 10 Feb 2000 Posts: 28023	Posted: 08-16-2010 12:19 PM                  The case is a Mini-ATX style, from the PCI-E slot to the top of the case is no more then 1.5". I'll get something like ATI tool, or Furmark and run it for a while to see if it will get the GPU to fuck off.
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AmIdYfReAk Elite Joined: 10 Feb 2000 Posts: 28023	Posted: 08-17-2010 12:51 PM                  Well, ran Furmark for 8 hours, not a thing. Also after removing the plugins, upgrading firefox, and disabling/killing Microsoft security essentials all seems to be working well, i wonder how long this will last?
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AmIdYfReAk Elite Joined: 10 Feb 2000 Posts: 28023	Posted: 08-18-2010 06:48 AM                  Yep, it started insta-crashing on me today. Then Windows Explorer decided to do so as well.. This time rather then reinstalling firefox and etc, i simply rebooted, everything is in the clear again... this is messed up.
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o'dium Eh? Joined: 25 Mar 2001 Posts: 32049	Posted: 08-18-2010 07:13 AM                    Memory... How old is it, what spec etc? Have you tried taking it out, cleaning them + the slots, and reinserting differently?
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AmIdYfReAk Elite Joined: 10 Feb 2000 Posts: 28023	Posted: 08-18-2010 08:34 AM                  OCZ OCZ2P800R21G, Two 1 giggers, They've been in my main desktop for ~2 years prior to putting it in this computer. They are clocked correctly, and being fed 2.1V According to this: http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/m ... al_channel Under specs, its correct.
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AmIdYfReAk Elite Joined: 10 Feb 2000 Posts: 28023	Posted: 08-18-2010 08:41 AM                  Sorry, it was my mistake, They where running 2.0V in the bios. i've since rebooted and bumped them to 2.1V.
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prince1000 Elite Joined: 07 Jan 2001 Posts: 16448	Posted: 08-18-2010 08:48 AM                  was this happening in vista as well? can't really tell from your initial post. if not, have you tried reinstalling vista or win 7? or even xp from another disc as all your hardware seems to be checking out.
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AmIdYfReAk Elite Joined: 10 Feb 2000 Posts: 28023	Posted: 08-19-2010 04:31 AM                  Initially i was running Vista, Now I'm on XP SP3. The issue seems to be following it, But not showing up with any of the hardware stress tests. That's the strange part that's driving me nuts.
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bitWISE god xor reason Joined: 08 Dec 1999 Posts: 21100	Posted: 08-24-2010 11:43 AM                    Did you install flash with those browsers?
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AmIdYfReAk Elite Joined: 10 Feb 2000 Posts: 28023	Posted: 08-25-2010 02:16 PM                  With, and without. on all.
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AmIdYfReAk Elite Joined: 10 Feb 2000 Posts: 28023	Posted: 09-04-2010 11:25 AM                  Well well, i've made at least a little bit of headway with it now. i've borrowed stressing program from a local friend, it does cpu ( all cores ), Ram, videocard, HDD all at the same time in a controlled environment ( linux ) And its pointed to the memory twice ( after 20+ mins of running ), and locked up on me once. I'll be contacting Zotac and asking if there are known issues with OCZ ram with these mobos, along with possible suggested replacements.
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obsidian I'm the dude! Joined: 04 Feb 2002 Posts: 12498	Posted: 09-04-2010 06:00 PM                  Dude, you are super persistent. I would have smashed it into a billion pieces by now. _________________ GtkRadiant | Q3Map2 | Shader Manual
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AmIdYfReAk Elite Joined: 10 Feb 2000 Posts: 28023	Posted: 09-04-2010 08:21 PM                  yeah, its been a long struggle to get to this point. Intermittent issues are a pain to put a finger on, But i think i've got it. e-mails been sent, waiting on a reply.
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AmIdYfReAk Elite Joined: 10 Feb 2000 Posts: 28023	Posted: 09-11-2010 05:51 AM                  Well, i figured I'd post an update. Still no reply from Zotec about What ram they recommend to use with this mobo. For the time being, I've swapped out a garbage PC in place ( so it will stop crashing ) and I'll be picking up some Bullshit kingston ram and testing it with that...
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SoM Your Other Daddy Joined: 03 Dec 1999 Posts: 20012	Posted: 09-11-2010 10:31 AM                  don't you have a manual for the mobo where they list the recommended ram ? if not just Gog it. _________________ [WYD]SoM
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SoM Your Other Daddy Joined: 03 Dec 1999 Posts: 20012	Posted: 09-11-2010 10:35 AM                  ps, brawsers or brazziers ? _________________ [WYD]SoM
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