Need to play a nvs file on a mac.

Post by **Iccy** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:12 pm

Any ideas?

So far im thinking parallels is the best route. But a native app would be better or even a converter.

Thnx

Post by **saturn** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:14 pm

wots un nvs file?

Post by **Iccy** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:14 pm

Its a nullsoft/winamp format

Post by **MKJ** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:15 pm

as in sound?

Post by **saturn** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:16 pm

did you try VLC?

Post by **Iccy** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:22 pm

Its for a friend, he is trying to play i think a audio file. VLC doesnt support i believe at the moment. Ill tell him to try but its not listed on the supported format list.

Post by **Iccy** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:30 pm

ok nevermind. i talked him into parallels.

Thnx guys.

Post by **Cory** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:30 pm

VLC supports like everything, i'll never use another player for anything but mp3's (winamp4lyfe)

Post by **PhoeniX** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:42 pm

People still use winamp?

Post by **dzjepp** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:49 pm

Yes. Winamp5 is great. What else should I use? Foobar?

Post by **[xeno]Julios** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:24 am

i use winamp 2.81 - what's the point of upgrading? Is it gonna make my mp3s sound better or something?

Post by **dzjepp** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:30 am

I dunno, but there have been a bazillion bug fixes since the old 2.x days

Post by **mjrpes** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:37 am

[xeno]Julios wrote:i use winamp 2.81 - what's the point of upgrading? Is it gonna make my mp3s sound better or something?

yes, modern mp3 players support 3D sound and 4x sound-aliasing.

Post by **[xeno]Julios** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:46 am

mjrpes wrote:
[xeno]Julios wrote:i use winamp 2.81 - what's the point of upgrading? Is it gonna make my mp3s sound better or something?
yes, modern mp3 players support 3D sound and 4x sound-aliasing.

isn't 3d sound just a gimmick, unless the source audio was encoded or generated specifically for that purpose (like a3d audio in fps games).

4x aliasing- that work with all mp3s? make a noticeable difference?

Post by **mjrpes** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:57 am

[xeno]Julios wrote:4x aliasing- that work with all mp3s? make a noticeable difference?

yes, creates a much smoother listening experience.

Post by **mjrpes** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:57 am

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Post by **[xeno]Julios** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:39 am

mjrpes wrote: yes, creates a much smoother listening experience.

It's easiest to describe aliasing in terms of a visual sampling system we all know and love—movies. If you've ever watched a western and seen the wheel of a rolling wagon appear to be going backwards, you've witnessed aliasing. The movie's frame rate isn't adequate to describe the rotational frequency of the wheel, and our eyes are deceived by the misinformation!

The Nyquist Theorem tells us that we can successfully sample and play back frequency components up to one-half the sampling frequency. Aliasing is the term used to describe what happens when we try to record and play back frequencies higher than one-half the sampling rate.

Consider a digital audio system with a sample rate of 48 KHz, recording a steadily rising sine wave tone. At lower frequency, the tone is sampled with many points per cycle. As the tone rises in frequency, the cycles get shorter and fewer and fewer points are available to describe it. At a frequency of 24 KHz, only two sample points are available per cycle, and we are at the limit of what Nyquist says we can do. Still, those two points are adequate, in a theoretical world, to recreate the tone after conversion back to analog and low-pass filtering.

But, if the tone continues to rise, the number of samples per cycle is not adequate to describe the waveform, and the inadequate description is equivalent to one describing a lower frequency tone—this is aliasing.

In fact, the tone seems to reflect around the 24 KHz point. A 25 KHz tone becomes indistinguishable from a 23 KHz tone. A 30 KHz tone becomes an 18 KHz tone.

In music, with its many frequencies and harmonics, aliased components mix with the real frequencies to yield a particularly obnoxious form of distortion. And there's no way to undo the damage. That's why we take steps to avoid aliasing from the beginning.

http://www.earlevel.com/Digital%20Audio/Aliasing.html

how would 4x aliasing fix a badly recorded sound source (note the last paragraph)

(i'm sensing possible sarcasm mjrpes

)

Post by **SOAPboy** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:51 am

I updated. I like every plugin that sparks my interest actually working and not crashing winamp.

You can use the oldie version tho.

Some people cant handle change, thats fine.

Post by **Cory** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:17 am

I really only use Winamp for the modern skins, but I'm starting to not like the resource usage and may go back to 2.81.
For a while I refused to upgrade, think it might be time to downgrade.

Post by **dmmh** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:54 am

dzjepp wrote:Yes. Winamp5 is great. What else should I use? Foobar?

iTunes

Post by **mjrpes** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:30 am

[xeno]Julios wrote:
mjrpes wrote: yes, creates a much smoother listening experience.

It's easiest to describe aliasing in terms of a visual sampling system we all know and love—movies. If you've ever watched a western and seen the wheel of a rolling wagon appear to be going backwards, you've witnessed aliasing. The movie's frame rate isn't adequate to describe the rotational frequency of the wheel, and our eyes are deceived by the misinformation!

The Nyquist Theorem tells us that we can successfully sample and play back frequency components up to one-half the sampling frequency. Aliasing is the term used to describe what happens when we try to record and play back frequencies higher than one-half the sampling rate.

Consider a digital audio system with a sample rate of 48 KHz, recording a steadily rising sine wave tone. At lower frequency, the tone is sampled with many points per cycle. As the tone rises in frequency, the cycles get shorter and fewer and fewer points are available to describe it. At a frequency of 24 KHz, only two sample points are available per cycle, and we are at the limit of what Nyquist says we can do. Still, those two points are adequate, in a theoretical world, to recreate the tone after conversion back to analog and low-pass filtering.

But, if the tone continues to rise, the number of samples per cycle is not adequate to describe the waveform, and the inadequate description is equivalent to one describing a lower frequency tone—this is aliasing.

In fact, the tone seems to reflect around the 24 KHz point. A 25 KHz tone becomes indistinguishable from a 23 KHz tone. A 30 KHz tone becomes an 18 KHz tone.

In music, with its many frequencies and harmonics, aliased components mix with the real frequencies to yield a particularly obnoxious form of distortion. And there's no way to undo the damage. That's why we take steps to avoid aliasing from the beginning.
http://www.earlevel.com/Digital%20Audio/Aliasing.html

how would 4x aliasing fix a badly recorded sound source (note the last paragraph)

(i'm sensing possible sarcasm mjrpes )

lol... i tried to be sarcastic but got owned by the existence of what i thought did not exist

hey, btw julios... ever had an interest in hegel? last thursday i discovered an audio lecture series on the phenomenology of spirit and am finding it insanely interesting and can't stop listening...

http://www.bernsteintapes.com/hegellist.html

i always thought he was a dense and unreadable philosopher... but this lecture series has really been an eye opener of him.

Post by **[xeno]Julios** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:39 am

SOAPboy wrote:I updated. I like every plugin that sparks my interest actually working and not crashing winamp.

You can use the oldie version tho.

Some people cant handle change, thats fine.

i dunno about you, but i use winamp for a very simple purpose - to listen to mp3s.

I don't have a need for advanced file management, or intelligent playlists, or 4 dimensional visualization schemes, or fancy skins.

all i need is to listen to mp3s.

I find winamp 2.81 lean, reliable, and fully functional insofar as my needs are concerned.

What plugins do you use?

Post by **[xeno]Julios** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:41 am

mjrpes wrote: hey, btw julios... ever had an interest in hegel? last thursday i discovered an audio lecture series on the phenomenology of spirit and am finding it insanely interesting and can't stop listening...

http://www.bernsteintapes.com/hegellist.html

i always thought he was a dense and unreadable philosopher... but this lecture series has really been an eye opener of him.

tx for the headsup - no never read hegel. I tried some heidegger but couldn't really get much out of him. I'm still very leery of the phenomenology approach, but that's largely due to my inability to understand it.

maybe this lecture series will shed some light...

Post by **Doombrain** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:45 pm

Iccy wrote:ok nevermind. i talked him into parallels.

Thnx guys.

np

Post by **mjrpes** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 2:49 am

[xeno]Julios wrote:
mjrpes wrote: hey, btw julios... ever had an interest in hegel? last thursday i discovered an audio lecture series on the phenomenology of spirit and am finding it insanely interesting and can't stop listening...

http://www.bernsteintapes.com/hegellist.html

i always thought he was a dense and unreadable philosopher... but this lecture series has really been an eye opener of him.

tx for the headsup - no never read hegel. I tried some heidegger but couldn't really get much out of him. I'm still very leery of the phenomenology approach, but that's largely due to my inability to understand it.

maybe this lecture series will shed some light...

give the intro lectures a shot and lemme know what you think :icon14: