Macs to use Intel processors...confirmation at last?

Post by **saturn** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:33 pm

i've never seen a video with Steve Jobs actually. After seeing that monkey Steve Ballmer jumping up and down at a MS conference I was traumatized for life.

Post by **NCG_Mike** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:54 pm

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc05/

Post by **Canis** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:35 pm

They had to go and announce another OS, right after releasing Tiger. Now there's nothing special about owning Tiger, and Leopard is the new thing to "have"....bah!!! Marketing, I hate (love) it!

Post by **saturn** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:38 pm

anantech has a coverstory with photos:

http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2438

Post by **saturn** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:39 pm

lol, AT points out that AMD performs much better per watt on the 2nd page. Too bad, Jobs.

Post by **Canis** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:44 pm

I'm sure they'll start with Intel, but will have some AMD option in the future. AMD has some pretty good 64-bit solutions, and Apple wont be able to ignore them for too long...

Post by **saturn** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:48 pm

I'm not too sure about that. They probably signed a contract last year that they're exclusively tight together for the coming....10 years or something.

Post by **Canis** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:46 pm

Does this mean Macs will be marred by that god aweful "Intel-Inside" sticker?

Post by **Psyche911** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:23 am

saturn wrote:lol, AT points out that AMD performs much better per watt on the 2nd page. Too bad, Jobs.

That's true if you're looking at the Pentium 4...which we're pretty sure they wont use. The Pentium M offers incredible power per watt, and with future multi-core processors using that core, it should be a great chip.

I'm just glad I haven't bought a Mac in the last year, and don't intend to for a long time.

Post by **Psyche911** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:27 am

Canis wrote:I'm sure they'll start with Intel, but will have some AMD option in the future. AMD has some pretty good 64-bit solutions, and Apple wont be able to ignore them for too long...

I disagree.
In addition to my point above, I have to question if the processor(s) will be an identical part to any "PC" processor. If it's not, then there's no reason that AMD could even produce a usable chip. And if they did, you'd need another line of motherboards and who knows what else.

Also, AMD could have the same trouble as IBM with producing large amounts of chips. Apple doesn't want to get shafted again by manufacturing problems. With Intel, they'll never have to worry about that. Intel could produce a hundred times more processors than Apple could ever sell.. (maybe an exageration, but you get my point)

Post by **Psyche911** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:29 am

One last thing:
OS X already runs on x86 hardware, and has since 10.0. Now that's interesting. I guess the rumors of an x86 build all these years were true. How about that...

Post by **4g3nt_Smith** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 2:22 am

It explains why they kept Darwin up to date for x86 the entire time.

Post by **ajerara** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:32 am

a little solvent will take care of the Intel inside sticker.

Post by **bag0shite** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:46 pm

These new Mactel boxes will allow you to install and run Windows too, if you're so inclined.

Post by **4g3nt_Smith** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:59 pm

I am, since that means a Triple boot of Longhorn, Linux, and OS X. Although, with OS X in its current state, and another update coming before longhorn, it may end up being a dual boot.

Post by **Canis** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:07 pm

bag0shite wrote:These new Mactel boxes will allow you to install and run Windows too, if you're so inclined.

I'm actually looking forward to that. I would very much like to have the best of both worlds running at full processing speed in one computer.

Post by **bag0shite** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:38 pm

4g3nt_Smith wrote:I am, since that means a Triple boot of Longhorn, Linux, and OS X. Although, with OS X in its current state, and another update coming before longhorn, it may end up being a dual boot.

I gotta say m$ are gonna have to pull something real spectacular out of the hat with Longhorn. Pressure's on. Which is all good for us.

Post by **saturn** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 9:06 pm

Intel-OS X will only run on propietary Mac hardware, otherwise it could be a big threat to MS Longhorn by 2006/2007.

Imagine Apple gaining lead over Microsoft in an OS war....woaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Post by **Canis** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 9:13 pm

saturn wrote:Intel-OS X will only run on propietary Mac hardware, otherwise it could be a big threat to MS Longhorn by 2006/2007.

Imagine Apple gaining lead over Microsoft in an OS war....woaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

At the beginning, yes....licensing will be the next big step, to absolutely cream windows. Just imagine the windows emulation capabilities Apple could implement. With WINE as a solid windows emulation base in unix, they could get practically every bit of software running in the Mac OS, with SDKs for smooth transitions to native mac applications. Then it would be an all out, fair war over who has the more appealing and usable product instead of who has the most software and other third-party infrastructure behind it. I'm guessing this wouldnt happen for another 5-10 years though. Apple still has to build the base and the credibility for such a leap.

Post by **bag0shite** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:18 pm

The first set of benchmarks comparing OSX on *86 to whatever version of Windows is available at the time, oops, I mean XP, will be very interesting :icon31:

Other than that I think m$ are too far ahead for Apple to go head to head with them. Apple need to come up with another killer device, but something better than the iPod which every household will need (think set-top TV box with broadband TV delivery and wireless music streaming) before m$, running whatever Pentium M derivative (and Pentium M is the jewel in the Intel crown since in a cruel twist of fate Intel are having to use AMDs *86-64 extensions) which I'm certain Apple are capable of doing.

Post by **Dave** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:21 pm

I hate people who violently resist change so I will try not to be one of them, but I will be critical of Apple's transition.

Post by **ajerara** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 6:40 am

It seems like good news to me except I would prefer AMD to Intel, but the dual boot option is great for gamers that like to use macs. Getting cheaper vid cards, too. No more gouging mac users for the same cards that windows people use for half the price.

Post by **NCG_Mike** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:08 am

No more Mac version of Lotus Notes needed! Can't be all bad.

I expect we'll have our development box in a couple of weeks, if all goes to plan.

Post by **4g3nt_Smith** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:22 pm

*Eagerly awaits someone to leak the x86 preview of Tiger*

Post by **NCG_Mike** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:51 pm

Problem is that you won't be able to run it, as far as I know. It requires specific hardware due to a lack of drivers and so on.