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PostPosted: 07-01-2006 08:12 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


ive actually been looking forward to this, so ill play the "test" or "demo" and give as many ideas towards developement as possible.

ill start with #'s 1 , 2 ,3 & 4

#1: uncapped frame rendering cuz if you cap the fps to 63 again, it will die.

#2: 40-50 fps in any other game, hl2, css, or bf2 is very playable and suprisingly stable. 40-50 fps in q4 made me wanna puke.
i dont know but theres some sort of rendering bug with it. and yes i can achieve a solid 63 frames with vsync on in q4 and yet its still rendering all fucking retarded. maybe some small overlooked detail?

#3: some way for people to personalize themselves, very much like the skins for CSS @ http://www.fpsbanana.com.
ex: ability to change weapon skins, gloves, radars, and hud's.

#4: And FFS change the damn default movement binds from WASD to ESDF. no clue why everyone keeps doing this and who decided it was "standard binds of gaming". if you move your hand away from your keys its so much easier to find the F key because of the "bump" for hand placement. This is why the "bump" is there to begin with..........
plus it leaves more room for binds to the left of your fingers. i dont know if its me or what but it just seems logical.


best of luck to both teams...
next person try to continue the numbering 5, 6, 7....



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please give a reason for #1. "it will die"? im guessing youre one of the peeps who think 125fps is crucial to any fps, since it was so important in q3.

#4 is personal taste. ive never used WASD, ive always used QWES. should it be default? no. WASD is the standard for years, it won tbe changed because a percentage doesnt like it.



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PostPosted: 07-02-2006 04:10 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


#0 Wait for the demo to be released
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#1 - Agreeing with MKJ, wtf?

#4 - Bah, I touchtype so I can use the keys without even looking at them. I've never used WASD for gaming, I've always used the arrow keys and everything else surrounding them for gaming. Much faster movements for me.
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#5 - Automatically kick and ban all laggers from every server :olo:
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Runningman wrote:
and yes i can achieve a solid 63 frames with vsync on in q4 and yet its still rendering all fucking retarded. maybe some small overlooked detail?


No you can't. You'll get 60fps, with lots of dips down to 30fps, which may or may not be too fast to notice, but that will make the game stutter and if you're sensitive, make you nauseous.

Solution: turn vsync off. You'll see the tearing initially, but after a couple of hours you won't notice it anymore.
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PostPosted: 07-02-2006 08:47 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


I use rdfg. someone make it default, since everyone uses it.
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way to completely waste the thread fellas, good job.

as for #1 should i make a poll to see if everyone enjoys q4 frame issues?

does anyone with a brainstem wanna create a real #5?



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you opened up a discussion, we're participating. dont whine.

now, elaborate on #1 please :p



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#5 ban runningman



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Are we gonna have to pay for online play like peeps do for WOW?
I hope not...... :icon28:




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Foo wrote:
#5 ban runningman


:rtcw: :dork: :tear: :shrug: :p :confused: :icon34: :icon33: :drool: :icon32: :icon28: :icon29: :icon26: :icon23:
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:olo:
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and people wonder why ID doesnt work with the community anymore.

threads going nowhere because of the kiddies, peace
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[quote="Runningman"][/quote]

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and YOUR a moderator, nice examples you set for everyone.



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im glad this persons in control. same reason why this countries in the shitter.



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thats it?



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you're playing right into it..
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or am i making him look more of a Foo-l infront of his peers who gave him his position in this forum?



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Fjoggs wrote:
you're playing right into it..


EDIT: also :olo: at that last comment
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hahahahahhahaah nice :) good job foo :) this thread is retarded!
oh and hahahahah yeah.... esdf... whatever... its not to hard to change you keys... leave the rest of us out of it :)
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Runningman, you are the reason ID doesn't work with the community anymore, because they were sick of people screaming necessities at them when they have NO idea what the FUCk they are talking about. There is no goddamn difference in quake 4 between 60 and 125 frames. It is a fact of nature, literally. YOUR EYES CAN'T SEE THAT FAST. And if you want the goddamn movement bound somewhere else do it yourself. The reason modern game developers make defaults is because they are what MOST PEOPLE are comfortable with. Not necessarily hardcore, competative players, but MOST PEOPLE. I don't know why I am even bothering with someone this obviously stupid.



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Let alone which, the physics tricks that were a result of having 125fps no longer exist. Or am I wrong?
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No they don't, the engine "ticks" are set at 60fps. No need at all to go above that.
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So people requesting the removal of the frame rate cap are eejits then?
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Yes. People have been drilling it into them but still they try.



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See, that should now be nice and clear for the poor dears.
Eejits need things explained slowly and with clarity. It's tiring work being "hard-of-thinking".
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BTW, the reason it's foolish to ask for a removal of the 60FPS cap is because it's core to the way the game works. They decided to hang everything around a 60Hz cycle time, presumably because it greatly simplifies many elements of the engine when it's a fixed, known frequency.

Hence with the FPS, unhitching it and letting it run higher would result in a smoother experience, it just can't be done with the D3 engine becuase of the manner in which it works. Whether they'll have worked around this issue for ET is unknown, but I doubt it. From what's been said, you might as well make a whole new engine than try and alter the 60hz clock on the D3 engine.

Also, I'm amazed that the old 'you can't see more than xxx fps' myth still persists.
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Foo wrote:
Also, I'm amazed that the old 'you can't see more than xxx fps' myth still persists.
I still got the impression most human eyes cannot pick up blockiness above 30-60 frames per second. However, I thought with computer games it's not that simple because the graphics card out-put isn't synchronised with the monitor refresh rate, so you can see those kind of things. For example, my monitor has a max refresh rate of 85Hz on the resolutions I prefer, and if I set vsync on in the games I play that have it, I notice no practically no blocky frame switching in them at all. The thing is, when the frames per seconds even reduce to 70, it looks really blocky. Same with vsync off, except the screen tearing makes it look somewhat blocky all the time.
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