I still got the impression most human eyes cannot pick up blockiness above 30-60 frames per second. However, I thought with computer games it's not that simple because the graphics card out-put isn't synchronised with the monitor refresh rate, so you can see those kind of things. For example, my monitor has a max refresh rate of 85Hz on the resolutions I prefer, and if I set vsync on in the games I play that have it, I notice no practically no blocky frame switching in them at all. The thing is, when the frames per seconds even reduce to 70, it looks really blocky. Same with vsync off, except the screen tearing makes it look somewhat blocky all the time.

please give a reason for #1. "it will die"? im guessing youre one of the peeps who think 125fps is crucial to any fps, since it was so important in q3.

#4 is personal taste. ive never used WASD, ive always used QWES. should it be default? no. WASD is the standard for years, it won tbe changed because a percentage doesnt like it.

#5 - Automatically kick and ban all laggers from every server

No you can't. You'll get 60fps, with lots of dips down to 30fps, which may or may not be too fast to notice, but that will make the game stutter and if you're sensitive, make you nauseous.

Solution: turn vsync off. You'll see the tearing initially, but after a couple of hours you won't notice it anymore.

hahahahahhahaah nice good job foo this thread is retarded!
oh and hahahahah yeah.... esdf... whatever... its not to hard to change you keys... leave the rest of us out of it

Runningman, you are the reason ID doesn't work with the community anymore, because they were sick of people screaming necessities at them when they have NO idea what the FUCk they are talking about. There is no goddamn difference in quake 4 between 60 and 125 frames. It is a fact of nature, literally. YOUR EYES CAN'T SEE THAT FAST. And if you want the goddamn movement bound somewhere else do it yourself. The reason modern game developers make defaults is because they are what MOST PEOPLE are comfortable with. Not necessarily hardcore, competative players, but MOST PEOPLE. I don't know why I am even bothering with someone this obviously stupid.

Let alone which, the physics tricks that were a result of having 125fps no longer exist. Or am I wrong?

No they don't, the engine "ticks" are set at 60fps. No need at all to go above that.

So people requesting the removal of the frame rate cap are eejits then?

See, that should now be nice and clear for the poor dears.
Eejits need things explained slowly and with clarity. It's tiring work being "hard-of-thinking".

BTW, the reason it's foolish to ask for a removal of the 60FPS cap is because it's core to the way the game works. They decided to hang everything around a 60Hz cycle time, presumably because it greatly simplifies many elements of the engine when it's a fixed, known frequency.

Hence with the FPS, unhitching it and letting it run higher would result in a smoother experience, it just can't be done with the D3 engine becuase of the manner in which it works. Whether they'll have worked around this issue for ET is unknown, but I doubt it. From what's been said, you might as well make a whole new engine than try and alter the 60hz clock on the D3 engine.

Also, I'm amazed that the old 'you can't see more than xxx fps' myth still persists.

This is a pretty good source:
http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_c ... ns_see.htm

Just think about it, it only makes sense to use standard hand placement for movement binds because for typing, your hands just automatically go there. dont forget, i just meant for new comers or by default, because virtually every school nowadays requires a typing class every grade.

good point lol, but not logical. i still "lol" at the fact that everyone plays a SHOOTER... with lag. doesnt really make any sense. its 2006, shouldnt there have already been a solution to this problem yet? ive played alot of unlagged games/mods. nobody has gotten it correct yet.

well then, i guess until something is done, the engine will be unplayable for most of the world who currently arent playing it as is. and i dont even have a clue how you could "agree" or whatever with 60hz/60fps. are your eyes open when you play? or just look at the pretty slideshow images?

why dont i see any of you playing any games or in any IRC network? im everywhere... the only other person i see in here is riddla, yknow, the other person you flame the shit out of. or are you all still in "noob land" standing around in servers using "noobtubes"?

And yes, its because of people like me that ID doesnt work with the community.

AND id rather be on this side creating very valid points trying to help create a better game that doesnt die than be on the side where 30 people attack one person for expressing an opinion toward making a better gaming experience for everyone.

in a forum containing quite a few fans of the game

This is nonsense. Playing games isn't taught in typing class and the standard position is asdf jkl. That does not come close to your esdf so you're supporting a matter of personal preference.

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So people requesting the removal of the frame rate cap are eejits then?

fuckin right, theres a true gamer that will understand wtf im talking about.

and foo sits there and tries to tell me THE ENGINES DEPENDANT ON THE 63FPS!!!!!! its a video game, if you can think it, it can be done and anything can be changed.

and yes, i play EVERY GAME at 120hz and 125fps(or close to it) and its the smoothest damn thing ive ever seen. infact it was the way q3 was designed to run in. this new way only appeals to new people like lenard who think a mongaloid and retard are two different things.

" what kind of mongaloid retard " rofl, gonna be laughin about that one all week.

please ban my fucking ip, dont make me help you.

please ban my fucking ip, dont make me help you.

of course, you could set your refresh at 120 and play at 60 fps but it's not the same

fuckin right, theres a true gamer that will understand wtf im talking about.

and foo sits there and tries to tell me THE ENGINES DEPENDANT ON THE 63FPS!!!!!! its a video game, if you can think it, it can be done and anything can be changed.

and yes, i play EVERY GAME at 120hz and 125fps(or close to it) and its the smoothest damn thing ive ever seen. infact it was the way q3 was designed to run in. this new way only appeals to new people like lenard who think a mongaloid and retard are two different things.

" what kind of mongaloid retard " rofl, gonna be laughin about that one all week.

please ban my fucking ip, dont make me help you.

I find that multiples of my refresh rate barely have any difference on what I see, especially in the line of screen tearing.

maybe on your system lol

vsync syncs your "V" doesnt it?

The 125fps thing in Q3 was a bug.

sup new guy of the forum but veteran of the game

i wanted to know why are there soo few ppl when i play online?
today i didnt find even 1 player