Other than the common idea, I consider them different games. I like both, with a lean towards the classic dooms.

What we REALLY need is a follow up to original Quake.The Shambler needs some lovin'.

I really enjoyed Doom 3, but classic Doom has stood the test of time, and I don't know if Doom 3 will, especially with community support being as weak as it is.

The flash light was a good gameplay device, no matter what anybody tells you, but the focus on smaller amounts of enemies took something away from the game.

Having to reload weapons in single player was a bag o' shite, meaning you couldn't get that special Doom rythm going.
But darkness and light was great.

Monster closets and "BOO!" style scares were poorly executed, especially when compared to similar tricks used in classic Doom. With decent map design, you should be able to bring Doom's tricks and traps into a modern game (after all, Quake did it), but sliding doors became the order of the day.

I don't know, you could spend a long time picking holes in Doom 3, but the truth is, it's not as bad as everyone makes it out to be.
It's just not classic Doom.

What we REALLY need is a follow up to original Quake.
The Shambler needs some lovin'.

i thought Quake 4 WAS a follow up to the original quake? i duno like im completely ignorant of that subject seeing as i dont have quake 4 and have never played it

No, it was a follow up to Quake 2. Completely different world and storyline. Quake 1 & 2 had nothing to do with eachother.

thing is, ive never played quake 2 either

But damn, why did they make Quake 4 into the generic sci fi wankfest it was Quake 2 had a certain style and atmosphere and they turned it into a Halo/Unreal Tourney cross over

the classic doom mod for d3 is great. i know it would've been seen as a bit of a cop-out, but i wish that'd been the commercial game.

as soon as it starts off and you hear the excellent instrumental remashing that sonicclang put together and see the old corridors vamped up in glistening 3d, it's like an idealised memory or something - great stuff.

I wish they could have done all the episodes though. That would have been the icing on the cake. I do appreciate what they did do at any rate.

theres doom 3 map editors isnt there? im sure someone will remake the other episodes in time....assuming that wont infringe on any copyrights....which it almost certainly will, hah

ps i heard theyre remaking commander keen and its meant to be simultaneously the most terrifying and most hilarious game ever created

dont fret, marathon owned.

dont fret, marathon owned.

i used to map a lot for Doom with Hellmaker, fucking great Doom editor for mac.

I didn't really like the cheap closet part of D3 like many people here but found myself much more pleased with the expansion.


I played marathon:infinity. pretty nice, although the sound of dying pfhors was quite ridiculous :P .

Hellmaker ? I used macDEU+macBSP While Hellmaker was certainly friendlier (and actually had a grid to snap to... my textures were NEVER aligned in macDEU ), I liked the ability to mess around inside wads that *DEU provided.

aye, I made a mod once for Doom but that was with an app other than DEU.. something like WadHak or something? cant remember

the mod owned though, dubbed Rebel Imp, where the player was an imp and you had to fight using only fireballs and scratches