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obsidian
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Posted: 08-02-2008 10:14 PM

John Carmack says that Doom 4 will be "significantly different" than Doom 3 and probably more of a throwback to the earlier Doom series of fast paced action gunning and lots of gore. It will also have an M-rating so it will be guaranteed bloody. It will be a 30Hz game unlike Rage's 60Hz, which effectively means up to 3x the graphics fidelity of Rage! It also promises better multiplayer gameplay than Doom 3. Sounds promising!

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http://www.shacknews.com/featuredarticle.x?id=956

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Posted: 08-02-2008 10:40 PM

Sounds fucking awesome. Now please make it based on Hell On Earth

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phantasmagoria
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Posted: 08-03-2008 08:05 AM

30Hz = 30fps no? won't that be a tadge laggy?

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obsidian
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Posted: 08-03-2008 09:08 AM

I think Carmack meant that as some sort of benchmark... meaning the target hardware frames should be at 30Hz, though you could certainly go higher if your specs are good. It may also have to do with the physics ticks, which at 30Hz will be on par with ETQW. In general, Carmack has sided towards faster performance than raw eye candy.

I posted an article before...

Todd Hollenshead wrote:
DOOM is part of the id Software DNA and demands the greatest talent and brightest minds in the industry to bring the next installment of our flagship franchise to Earth

coughEarthcough

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Posted: 08-03-2008 10:47 AM

As long as they aren't trying anything new, it's just going to end up boring and repetitive like all their other recent games.

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nay0k
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Posted: 08-03-2008 01:28 PM

That's what Rage is for.

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DooMer
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Posted: 08-03-2008 07:30 PM

Seems kind of backwards, like Doom should be the game with 60fps if it's going back to its roots.

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MKJ
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Posted: 08-04-2008 03:18 AM

didnt doom run on 30?

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Captain
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Posted: 08-04-2008 07:55 AM

The people commenting on that site are retarded. Doom 3 was capped at 60fps.

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SplEEb
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Posted: 08-04-2008 12:57 PM

The tick rate has something to do with how much is going on onscreen. Doom4 is going to be way busier and bloodier than rage.
Disclaimer: if I read one of those interviews correctly.

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DRuM
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Posted: 08-05-2008 08:59 PM

From wiki:
"In Issue 184 of Game Informer, Doom 4 was speculated to be due for release alongside Rage, late in the third quarter of 2009."

They just started production in may, correct? How likely then will it be to go from cold to gold in just over a year? Shouldn't it be more like 4 years away judging by how long these games take?

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Posted: 08-06-2008 06:30 AM

No, because the Tech 5 engine is ready to go. A year is enough IMO, but I doubt they'll be able to stay true to a release date now.

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DRuM
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Posted: 08-06-2008 01:56 PM

Captain Mazda wrote:
No, because the Tech 5 engine is ready to go. A year is enough IMO, but I doubt they'll be able to stay true to a release date now.

Ah right. Yeah, I realise the engine is ready, but even so, I thought that putting together all the levels, doing all the animations, cut scenes and god knows what else still took a very long time but I'll take your word on it and hope they do get it done sometime next year or early 2010.

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Posted: 08-06-2008 05:09 PM

Rage could be out in late 2009. I doubt if Doom 4 will. They will be working on it separately with different teams.

If there's going to be some kind of Quake Arena sequel that's been pushed back. Carmack said that it would be hard to find a publisher for some kind of multiplayer game like Quake 3 unless Quake Live is a huge hit.

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Posted: 08-06-2008 06:30 PM

Why the fuck do we need another multiplayer deathmatch game? We've been playing the same game for 15+ years, just dividing the players between different titles.

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DooMer
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Posted: 08-06-2008 07:05 PM

It's going to have to be much different in the gameplay department, physics and all, that's for sure.

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MKJ
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Posted: 08-07-2008 01:19 AM

and then everyone will hate it because "its not quake".

if they were to make a whole new and different DM game, theyd have to ditch the name Quake. it just raises certain (and perhaps wrong) expectations.

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Posted: 08-08-2008 10:56 AM

I don't think so. Quake 4, and even Quake live bum a lot of people out because they're too much like q3. True Quake tradition is having a completely different game with each iteration, giving people new tricks to master. It also flattens the learning curve. As it is now, you have the same top tier players moving from game to game and easily dominating, because the game hasn't changed enough. Not to mention it keeps the series fresh. The main expectation of Quake is fast and skill based gameplay with competitive features. There's tons of room to play around with that formula.

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Peenyuh
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Posted: 08-08-2008 01:20 PM

I love Q3A, so don't misunderstand this. I would like to see Quake get back to focusing on a mission. Q2 with Q3 graphics and a whole new objective would be great....

Well....kinda what Doom4 is sounding like? IS Doom4 a mission oriented game?

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obsidian
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Posted: 08-09-2008 07:25 AM

Peenyuh wrote:
I would like to see Quake get back to focusing on a mission. Q2 with Q3 graphics and a whole new objective would be great....

Ummm... you mean like the single player missions of Quake 4?

Peenyuh wrote:
Well....kinda what Doom4 is sounding like? IS Doom4 a mission oriented game?

Just read the bloody article.

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Peenyuh
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Posted: 08-09-2008 04:18 PM

Oh. Haven't played...it...

Edit: Forget I said anything. I was never here.

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MKJ
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Posted: 08-11-2008 02:02 AM

DooMer wrote:
I don't think so. Quake 4, and even Quake live bum a lot of people out because they're too much like q3. True Quake tradition is having a completely different game with each iteration, giving people new tricks to master. It also flattens the learning curve. As it is now, you have the same top tier players moving from game to game and easily dominating, because the game hasn't changed enough. Not to mention it keeps the series fresh. The main expectation of Quake is fast and skill based gameplay with competitive features. There's tons of room to play around with that formula.

dont you have a defacto hate for UT for these exact reasons ?

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redshoepaul
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Posted: 08-12-2008 06:23 PM

Definitely can't wait for this. Hopefully it won't require TOO much of a performance upgrade. Doom 3 broke the barrier first, so we might expect something..

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newtoquake3
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Posted: 08-16-2008 04:21 PM

WOOT OMG IM SOO EXCITED
had too say that in caps

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DooMer
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Posted: 08-20-2008 08:29 PM

MKJ wrote:
DooMer wrote:
I don't think so. Quake 4, and even Quake live bum a lot of people out because they're too much like q3. True Quake tradition is having a completely different game with each iteration, giving people new tricks to master. It also flattens the learning curve. As it is now, you have the same top tier players moving from game to game and easily dominating, because the game hasn't changed enough. Not to mention it keeps the series fresh. The main expectation of Quake is fast and skill based gameplay with competitive features. There's tons of room to play around with that formula.

dont you have a defacto hate for UT for these exact reasons ?

I hate UT because it's unbalanced.

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Smeean
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Posted: 08-21-2008 12:01 PM

I couldnt even finish Doom 3... maybe im just a wimp!

Too many jumps for me! LOL

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toimia
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Posted: 09-30-2008 01:55 PM

Doom 3 used cheap scares imo.

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Peenyuh
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Posted: 09-30-2008 10:47 PM

DooMer wrote:
I hate UT because it's unbalanced.

I just discovered UT (always the late bloomer) but I seem to be better at it than Q3A. It's got hotter chicks too.

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DTS
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Posted: 10-14-2008 12:13 AM

"30Hz game" and as fast as Doom 1?! You won't be able to see or hit anything; it will be shit.

I couldn't find any mention of "30" in the article you linked, though.

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Dr_Watson
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Posted: 12-27-2008 07:07 AM

heh, i like how JC agreed that the monster closets were a "valid" critique of doom3

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MKJ
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Posted: 12-29-2008 05:56 AM

DTS wrote:
"30Hz game" and as fast as Doom 1?! You won't be able to see or hit anything; it will be shit.

I couldn't find any mention of "30" in the article you linked, though.

doom1 ran on 35fps capped.
Quote:
cl_capfps (boolean)
Default: false
When true, the game is limited to 35 FPS, as it was originally in Doom

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DTS
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Posted: 04-25-2009 04:39 PM

MKJ wrote:
doom1 ran on 35fps capped.
Quote:
cl_capfps (boolean)
Default: false
When true, the game is limited to 35 FPS, as it was originally in Doom

oh shi

That's still 1/7th less than the original Doom, and Doom had auto-aim. When was that cap lifted, though? Shortly after Doom came out?

(30 is 6/7th of 35)

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Sounds fucking awesome. Now please make it based on Hell On Earth

30Hz = 30fps no? won't that be a tadge laggy?

As long as they aren't trying anything new, it's just going to end up boring and repetitive like all their other recent games.

That's what Rage is for.

Seems kind of backwards, like Doom should be the game with 60fps if it's going back to its roots.

didnt doom run on 30?

The people commenting on that site are retarded. Doom 3 was capped at 60fps.

The tick rate has something to do with how much is going on onscreen. Doom4 is going to be way busier and bloodier than rage. Disclaimer: if I read one of those interviews correctly.

No, because the Tech 5 engine is ready to go. A year is enough IMO, but I doubt they'll be able to stay true to a release date now.

Why the fuck do we need another multiplayer deathmatch game? We've been playing the same game for 15+ years, just dividing the players between different titles.

It's going to have to be much different in the gameplay department, physics and all, that's for sure.

and then everyone will hate it because "its not quake".if they were to make a whole new and different DM game, theyd have to ditch the name Quake. it just raises certain (and perhaps wrong) expectations.

I love Q3A, so don't misunderstand this. I would like to see Quake get back to focusing on a mission. Q2 with Q3 graphics and a whole new objective would be great....Well....kinda what Doom4 is sounding like? IS Doom4 a mission oriented game?

Oh. Haven't played...it... Edit: Forget I said anything. I was never here.

Definitely can't wait for this. Hopefully it won't require TOO much of a performance upgrade. Doom 3 broke the barrier first, so we might expect something..

WOOT OMG IM SOO EXCITEDhad too say that in caps

I couldnt even finish Doom 3... maybe im just a wimp!Too many jumps for me! LOL

Doom 3 used cheap scares imo.

DooMer wrote:I hate UT because it's unbalanced.I just discovered UT (always the late bloomer) but I seem to be better at it than Q3A. It's got hotter chicks too.

"30Hz game" and as fast as Doom 1?! You won't be able to see or hit anything; it will be shit.I couldn't find any mention of "30" in the article you linked, though.

heh, i like how JC agreed that the monster closets were a "valid" critique of doom3

The tick rate has something to do with how much is going on onscreen. Doom4 is going to be way busier and bloodier than rage.
Disclaimer: if I read one of those interviews correctly.

and then everyone will hate it because "its not quake".

if they were to make a whole new and different DM game, theyd have to ditch the name Quake. it just raises certain (and perhaps wrong) expectations.

I love Q3A, so don't misunderstand this. I would like to see Quake get back to focusing on a mission. Q2 with Q3 graphics and a whole new objective would be great....

Well....kinda what Doom4 is sounding like? IS Doom4 a mission oriented game?

Oh. Haven't played...it...

Edit: Forget I said anything. I was never here.

WOOT OMG IM SOO EXCITED
had too say that in caps

I couldnt even finish Doom 3... maybe im just a wimp!

Too many jumps for me! LOL

DooMer wrote:
I hate UT because it's unbalanced.

I just discovered UT (always the late bloomer) but I seem to be better at it than Q3A. It's got hotter chicks too.

"30Hz game" and as fast as Doom 1?! You won't be able to see or hit anything; it will be shit.

I couldn't find any mention of "30" in the article you linked, though.