President Trump

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Democrats not being strong is more of a symptom of Republicans blocking any semblance of checks and balances. They don't want to play a strong hand only to be shot down much like Trump impeachment proceedings went with the Senate refusing to even hear witnesses or evidence. Even now, republicans are looking at ways to invalidate election results in key swing states by using the DOJ to appoint individuals that will invalidate the election results and will instead choose the election winner. This is one of the reasons why they're so anxious to fill that supreme court position so quick, so that when the legal challenges inevitably come they'll have stacked courts to side with them. They're openly discussing this right now at the white house. This is the plan.

This is a straight up coup and you have to be a fucking idiot not to see it happening and if that is better than Biden then you're just a fucking asshole. An asshole who's subjecting their kids to a future not a lot unlike China's current system. If I was American, I'd leave the country and look to move to Canada or overseas. Gwamps probably gets a kick out of being the "rebel" but that short feeling of fucking over the majority of voters in your country is going to cost him dearly in the future. It reminds me a lot of that cartoon of Wiley coyote sawing off the branch he's standing on just to get the roadrunner. The stupidity is profound.

It's astonishing to see how many people don't even see this. You nailed it except for the fact that thanks to this administration, we can't leave the country as no one will take us due to Covid-19.

[Κracus]

Meh, be diligent in your quarantine and it shouldn't pose a problem. I live next to maine who's had 4000+ cases and almost 200 deaths. By contrast we've had a few hundred and 1 death. Just goes to show how a good approach changes statistics drastically. Even if you're accounting for the population difference. 700k vs 1.3million.

[Κracus]

Trump said, “Get rid of the ballots and...we'll have a very peaceful—there won't be a transfer frankly. There will be a continuation.” He wants to strip people of their right to vote. This is fascism.

[YourGrandpa]

We are all socialists from your point of view.

Maybe in Joe Biden's point of view...

This guy can't stop stepping on his dick. :olo:

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[xer0s]

Is Gramps trolling?

[YourGrandpa]

The biggest difference here is that people like Gramps refuse to be objective. For instance, I can say I think Nancy Pelosi is a hypocrite with the hair cut thing without the mask, I can say I don't like Chuck Schumer's constant politicking, and I can say I feel the Dems have been weak holding this administration to account for their crimes. I am as of this year now a registered Democrat (have been an Independent my entire life).

For any Trumper, they refuse to even acknowledge any wrongdoing by the president and just talk about what the left is doing. It's bullshit and talking with people like Gramps is a waste of time. Give up on them and focus on folks who aren't decided or are choosing to NOT vote.

Wasting time on morons like Gramps is just that as having an good faith conversation is not something people like Gramps are capable of.


I had someone express their concerns about Biden's mental state and I asked, "why is there no critique of Trump in contrast?". I received no answer to that.

Objective about what? I've never said Trump was great or even good. He's far from it. I also don't need to be critical of Trump here. There are enough of you robots doing that already. What's rich is, you claim you're being objective when all you're doing is rationalizing your opinion. "Well Biden is shit, but Trump is shittier"... They are both equally bad. But Trump is in office and can ONLY serve 4 more years. The worse thing that could happen to the Democratic party is a Biden win. If Biden does eek out a win, it will set the party back 16+ years. Because it would be a win for the status quo and a win for the corporate donors. It would be a win for what got us Donald Trump in the first place. The best thing that can happen to the Democrats is a Trump landslide. That would send a clear message to the Democrats that they have to start serving their constituents if they want to win.

I'd certainly vote for a Democrat that supported healthcare for all, decreased military spending and a clear movement in the direction of cleaner energy. However, Biden doesn't want to do any of that. But hey, what do I know, I'm just a stupid Trumper.

Bunch of fuckin tools... :olo:

[Captain]

decreased military spending

Haha no you wouldn't you fucking blue line bootlicker :olo:

[shaft]

They are both equally bad.

[Doombrain]

Civil war 2.0 for the US?

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Objective about what? I've never said Trump was great or even good. He's far from it. I also don't need to be critical of Trump here. There are enough of you robots doing that already. What's rich is, you claim you're being objective when all you're doing is rationalizing your opinion. "Well Biden is shit, but Trump is shittier"... They are both equally bad. But Trump is in office and can ONLY serve 4 more years. The worse thing that could happen to the Democratic party is a Biden win. If Biden does eek out a win, it will set the party back 16+ years. Because it would be a win for the status quo and a win for the corporate donors. It would be a win for what got us Donald Trump in the first place. The best thing that can happen to the Democrats is a Trump landslide. That would send a clear message to the Democrats that they have to start serving their constituents if they want to win.

I'd certainly vote for a Democrat that supported healthcare for all, decreased military spending and a clear movement in the direction of cleaner energy. However, Biden doesn't want to do any of that. But hey, what do I know, I'm just a stupid Trumper.

Bunch of fuckin tools... :olo:

You wouldn’t vote vote a democrat. That’s an outright lie as everything you stated above currently applies to Trump. Reminder: Biden is not out president currently. The hypocrisy of everything you just spewed shows your willful ignorance.

Let’s talk about how you stand against the white supremacy Trump represents and will not condemn. Can you even say, “Black Lives Matter”? Eh, Himmler? :olo:

Note: I’ve said this a few times and not once has Gramps condemned white supremacy. Hell, even the FBI considers white supremacy to be our biggest threat currently.

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Civil war 2.0 for the US?

Quite a few Republicans I know are certain this will happen. Ask a Democrat and they’ll tell you they want no harm to come to other Americans. Says everything right there.

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Haha no you wouldn't you fucking blue line bootlicker :olo:

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[Eraser]

But Trump is in office and can ONLY serve 4 more years.

You're assuming there's still a democracy left after four more years of Trump.

[YourGrandpa]

You wouldn’t vote vote a democrat. That’s an outright lie as everything you stated above currently applies to Trump. Reminder: Biden is not out president currently. The hypocrisy of everything you just spewed shows your willful ignorance.

Let’s talk about how you stand against the white supremacy Trump represents and will not condemn. Can you even say, “Black Lives Matter”? Eh, Himmler? :olo:

Note: I’ve said this a few times and not once has Gramps condemned white supremacy. Hell, even the FBI considers white supremacy to be our biggest threat currently.

Look dude, I get it. You're a extreme leftist. You've been preprogrammed and have a strict narrative. If something doesn't fit in your neat little box, you'll do your best to shout it down. Your ability to see hypocrisy in everything that doesn't echo your marching orders is part of your programming. You're so conditioned that you'll condemn the right for something the left did months ago and you'll justify something the left does by saying, well the right did it. You're a prime example of hypocrisy.

I'm not a conservative or a white supremist. Because I don't align myself with either way of thinking. I definitely don't support hating or marginalizing someone based on the color of their skin. It's wrong and unacceptable. BLM's message is good and defiantly as merit. But I don't agree with how it's being carried out. I believe the movement has been politicized and is being used a tool to divide America. I know it's tough for people like you to understand how it's possible to support law enforcement and BLM without agreeing with everything they do. But it's something reasonable people can do.

I bet you're one of those race appropriating white guys that would shout down a black person that doesn't support BLM, telling them they don't understand what it's like to be black. :olo:

[YourGrandpa]

You're assuming there's still a democracy left after four more years of Trump.

Obama did his thing and we're still here. We'll be here after Trump. The left would have you believe Trump is the end of the world. That's just a politically biased, false sense of urgency being propagated to garner votes. If you believe it, you're a dupe.

[Captain]

There's no left in America you fat moron

[Κracus]

You're assuming there's still a democracy left after four more years of Trump.

Obama did his thing and we're still here. We'll be here after Trump. The left would have you believe Trump is the end of the world. That's just a politically biased, false sense of urgency being propagated to garner votes. If you believe it, you're a dupe.

So I'm just curious what you think about rigged election results? Say he loses and refuses to leave office, are you going to support that? Say he invalidates election results because of fraud, you think that's legitimate? I'm just curious what your stance is on this subject.

[lars63]

Fun fact: Trumpy Bear, one of Trumps fund raising tools: https://gettrumpybear.com/
is in fact made in China. Remember all his railing about how bad China is? Here he is the hypocrite again,(LOL), want proof? Certainly: And above all: Is Trumpy Bear Made in America, or is he just wrapping himself in the red, white and blue?

We weren't alone. The Washington Post conducted its own investigation into this very topic in 2018 and found that “Trumpy Bear, is, in fact, a native of China.”
Here is a link to the Website, you will have to register to read the article though:( which I didn't do: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... ont-go-up/
There is the link for your reading pleasure.

[lars63]

Sorry failed to provide the Link where I found all this stuff to begin with, you will find the statement I cut and pasted above about the Washington post article at the bottom of the page and here is that link:
https://www.americanmanufacturing.org/b ... de-in-usa/

[YourGrandpa]

So I'm just curious what you think about rigged election results? Say he loses and refuses to leave office, are you going to support that? Say he invalidates election results because of fraud, you think that's legitimate? I'm just curious what your stance is on this subject.

If Trump loses he should leave. Plain and simple. But what if I asked you the same thing about Biden? Do you actually think the Democrats are above contesting the results? You'd have to be pretty stupid to believe that. If Biden loses you can bet RAW and every other Liberal wacko will be turning cartwheels screaming about Russia or some other conspiracy. They won't accept this election just like they haven't accepted the last.

I think this election is already so contentious that either side is highly likely to contest the result if it isn't a landslide. Especially when their is such a push for mail-in voting. One side could claim that there is a delay in counting or missing ballots due to postal issues. The other side could claim voter fraud, disqualified ballots, lost/discarded ballots, etc. It's really a perfect setup to make an excuse for losing and you can bet either side will use it if needed.

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FACTS: Biden said he'd honor the election results. Trump has yet to commit to that same idea despite being asked repeatedly.

Trump and his cronies have ruined USPS, created chaos surrounding mail-in ballots and their integrity (another false claim of fraud by them), and is issuing special "electors" for states like ours where mail-in ballot delays will not be counted if he gets his way.

Biden is doing none of this but if I believe what you're saying which is that the guy ACTIVELY trying to disrupt the fair election process is at risk from the guy not acting in bad-faith (in regards to the elections)?

Secondly, i've been an independent my entire life and right-leaning based on family history up until last year. Save your weak insults for something true like your lack of hairline :olo:

What a Trumptard.

[Κracus]

If Trump loses he should leave. Plain and simple. But what if I asked you the same thing about Biden? Do you actually think the Democrats are above contesting the results? You'd have to be pretty stupid to believe that. If Biden loses you can bet RAW and every other Liberal wacko will be turning cartwheels screaming about Russia or some other conspiracy. They won't accept this election just like they haven't accepted the last.

I think this election is already so contentious that either side is highly likely to contest the result if it isn't a landslide. Especially when their is such a push for mail-in voting. One side could claim that there is a delay in counting or missing ballots due to postal issues. The other side could claim voter fraud, disqualified ballots, lost/discarded ballots, etc. It's really a perfect setup to make an excuse for losing and you can bet either side will use it if needed.

Ok so the difference between Biden and Trump is that Trump is in control of all that and is actively pushing those narratives. He's the one calling for stopping mail in ballots. He's the one that put one of his cronies in charge of USPS and removed sorting machines to ensure mail slows to a crawl. He's the one saying he won't accept election results if he doesn't win. Biden is doing none of that and I challenge you to show different if you think so. The white house is publicly talking about invalidating election results and instead assigning DOJ appointed people to choose the election winner in key states. Keep in mind you have attorney general Barr running defense for him the entire time. The same attorney general who's father gave Jeffrey fucking Epstein a job as a fucking teacher! Have you ever watched Barr get interviewed by congress over his pretty sketchy practices? My 10 year old lies better than he does.

On the other side of the coin you have Biden doing none of that. Might he claim the elections were tampered with or rigged? Yeah, why wouldn't he? You have the CIA and the FBI actively saying Russia is attempting to tamper with the elections. They know they actively tampered with the 2016 election with the goal of getting Trump elected, these aren't theories there was an entire investigation about that very thing and they found evidence. People went to jail for it and the whole time Trump and co tampered with evidence and actively lied about it. None of what I'm saying is rumors, this is all out in the public. Where is the evidence that Biden is attempting to fraudulently impact the elections? Can you trace russian money and tie it to Biden cause I can do that with Trump. It's pretty well documented that the NRA accepted russian money and transferred it to Trump among other middlemen. You have cambridge analytica scandal. Julian Assange was even offered a fucking pardon in exchange to cover up the Russian connection. Like how much more do you need? Meanwhile you look at Biden, and don't get me wrong, I'm by no means saying he's mr goody two shoes and has no scandalous connections but the fact is, right now, there's nothing out there on this level. You cannot in good conscious state Biden is asking foreign powers for assistance in getting elected. You cannot state Biden is actively attempting to sabotage the elections. You can't state Biden has stated he won't accept election results unless he wins. You can state all of those things are true for Trump though, all of those things are things he's done and is currently doing.

Your country is moving towards a fascist state and you're part of the problem.

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*waits for the Jimmy Dore video*

[YourGrandpa]

FACTS: Biden said he'd honor the election results. Trump has yet to commit to that same idea despite being asked repeatedly.

Trump and his cronies have ruined USPS, created chaos surrounding mail-in ballots and their integrity (another false claim of fraud by them), and is issuing special "electors" for states like ours where mail-in ballot delays will not be counted if he gets his way.

Biden is doing none of this but if I believe what you're saying which is that the guy ACTIVELY trying to disrupt the fair election process is at risk from the guy not acting in bad-faith (in regards to the elections)?

Secondly, i've been an independent my entire life and right-leaning based on family history up until last year. Save your weak insults for something true like your lack of hairline :olo:

What a Trumptard.

FACT: Biden has been called out on multiple occasions for lying about everything from personal achievements to policy. But THIS TIME he is telling the truth. :olo:

Trump hasn't served a complete term and now he's responsible for the decades of mismanagement and financial losses of the USPS. The current post master was appointed (by board of governors) in June of this year. Are you trying to say this guy is responsible for toppling the USPS in 3 months? :olo:

The funny thing is, you can't even see your hypocritical bias.

GGs Libnerd.

[YourGrandpa]

If Trump loses he should leave. Plain and simple. But what if I asked you the same thing about Biden? Do you actually think the Democrats are above contesting the results? You'd have to be pretty stupid to believe that. If Biden loses you can bet RAW and every other Liberal wacko will be turning cartwheels screaming about Russia or some other conspiracy. They won't accept this election just like they haven't accepted the last.

I think this election is already so contentious that either side is highly likely to contest the result if it isn't a landslide. Especially when their is such a push for mail-in voting. One side could claim that there is a delay in counting or missing ballots due to postal issues. The other side could claim voter fraud, disqualified ballots, lost/discarded ballots, etc. It's really a perfect setup to make an excuse for losing and you can bet either side will use it if needed.

Ok so the difference between Biden and Trump is that Trump is in control of all that and is actively pushing those narratives. He's the one calling for stopping mail in ballots. He's the one that put one of his cronies in charge of USPS and removed sorting machines to ensure mail slows to a crawl. He's the one saying he won't accept election results if he doesn't win. Biden is doing none of that and I challenge you to show different if you think so. The white house is publicly talking about invalidating election results and instead assigning DOJ appointed people to choose the election winner in key states. Keep in mind you have attorney general Barr running defense for him the entire time. The same attorney general who's father gave Jeffrey fucking Epstein a job as a fucking teacher! Have you ever watched Barr get interviewed by congress over his pretty sketchy practices? My 10 year old lies better than he does.

On the other side of the coin you have Biden doing none of that. Might he claim the elections were tampered with or rigged? Yeah, why wouldn't he? You have the CIA and the FBI actively saying Russia is attempting to tamper with the elections. They know they actively tampered with the 2016 election with the goal of getting Trump elected, these aren't theories there was an entire investigation about that very thing and they found evidence. People went to jail for it and the whole time Trump and co tampered with evidence and actively lied about it. None of what I'm saying is rumors, this is all out in the public. Where is the evidence that Biden is attempting to fraudulently impact the elections? Can you trace russian money and tie it to Biden cause I can do that with Trump. It's pretty well documented that the NRA accepted russian money and transferred it to Trump among other middlemen. You have cambridge analytica scandal. Julian Assange was even offered a fucking pardon in exchange to cover up the Russian connection. Like how much more do you need? Meanwhile you look at Biden, and don't get me wrong, I'm by no means saying he's mr goody two shoes and has no scandalous connections but the fact is, right now, there's nothing out there on this level. You cannot in good conscious state Biden is asking foreign powers for assistance in getting elected. You cannot state Biden is actively attempting to sabotage the elections. You can't state Biden has stated he won't accept election results unless he wins. You can state all of those things are true for Trump though, all of those things are things he's done and is currently doing.

Your country is moving towards a fascist state and you're part of the problem.

If the righteous Democrats think the Trump administration is actively working to sabotage the postal service, why would they be pushing for mass mail-in voting? And please spare me the Covid BS, because even Fauci says it's safe to vote at the poles.

I particularly like how the term fascist is thrown around these days. It's like people don't even understand the meaning, it's just cool to say. :tard: