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seremtan wrote: the limit to free speech is the line between words and actions
I largely agree but some speech is so irresponsible as to be dangerous. You aren't free to yell "fire!" in a crowded theater for example. Slander is another example of how speech isn't completely free.

Espousing racist views and whipping up crowds is pretty darn irresponsible imo too. I'm not saying people should be jailed for it but it's not quite as clear cut as you make it.
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HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:Exactly. If Richard Perle or Henry Kissinger or Dick Cheney were at a podium giving an interview and someone came up and punched them would it be about free speech? This guy is actively seeking to influence the Trump administration (if he doesn't have Trump's ear he at least has the ear of some who do i.e. Steve Bannon). I see him in the same way i do a Perle. That's why I found the punch so satisfying.
i wasn't referring to the free speech of the puncher, since i assumed it was obvious that physical assault isn't an exercise of free speech. i was referring to the free speech of Nazi boy and his white homeland pipe dream

also, don't be too satisfied. the idiot who cold-cocked him is just contributing to the legitimisation of violence as a form of public 'debate'. it won't be so satisfying when Milo's fanboys start ripping off veils while yelling DEUS VULT :|
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HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:You aren't free to yell "fire!" in a crowded theater for example. Slander is another example of how speech isn't completely free.
yelling fire in a crowded theatre isn't an exercise of free speech; it's a public nuisance. it's also the most cliched and misused counter-example ever employed in the debate over free speech :| (and the US has defamation laws with a high bar of proof, which seems acceptable to me - unlike UK's atrocious libel laws...)
Espousing racist views and whipping up crowds is pretty darn irresponsible imo too. I'm not saying people should be jailed for it but it's not quite as clear cut as you make it.
incitement is actually a crime (though it's worth mentioning that what counts as incitement - at least in the UK - has stretched to point where just about anything negative is seen as 'incitement'). also, just because someone shouldn't be jailed for talking bollocks doesn't make what they're saying any less bollocks. again, i'd have thought this was obvious. i'm talking about their right to free speech under the law, i.e. society can condemn someone for their views, but no way the government should be allowed to condemn them
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Great first day in office.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/21/us/p ... -size.html
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What a fucking insecure bitch.
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shaft wrote:Great first day in office.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/21/us/p ... -size.html
>"it'll be different when i'm president"
>it's not different

Trump's witless bullshit will become so routine, the only way he could possibly surprise anyone would be to actually make America great ("again") :|
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[youtube]CTzBZuPx1lQ[/youtube]

i knew there was a reason i thought Trump was a massive douchebag from the first moment i heard of him (some time in the 1990s)
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This is kind of funny:
French translators have had a tough time translating Donald Trump’s speeches into the language of Molière.

Translator Bérengère Viennot believes the new US President is difficult to translate because “he seems not to know quite where he’s going,” she told the LA Review of Books.

The first step for a translator is to be able to “get into someone’s mind,” explained Mrs Viennot, but it’s not always easy to understand the point Mr Trump is trying to make. 

“Trump’s vocabulary is limited, his syntax is broken; he repeats the same phrases over and over, forcing the translator to follow suit," she said.

“It’s as if he had thematic clouds in his head that he would pick from with no need of a logical thread to link them.”
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 39461.html
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It would be funnier if they weren't talking out the President of the United States. :(
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jonathan pie, on point once more

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Always is
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Wow, if only people reacted the same way to illegally invading countries, funding terrorism, and using public money to support a foreign apartheid state :|
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That can easily be explained. Those things affect other people, so who cares?
That sounds rather cynical, but that's how it works. And that, frankly, is kind of understandable.
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Yes, which is why I'm happy about the US being in such a state of disarray. I hope Trump causes a massive amount of damage to the country and its people because it'll be a drop in the ocean compared to what they've inflicted on the rest of the world.
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and how would that do the rest of the world any good?
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An eye for an eye...
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Captain Mazda wrote:
Wow, if only people reacted the same way to illegally invading countries, funding terrorism, and using public money to support a foreign apartheid state :|
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seremtan wrote:
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:Exactly. If Richard Perle or Henry Kissinger or Dick Cheney were at a podium giving an interview and someone came up and punched them would it be about free speech? This guy is actively seeking to influence the Trump administration (if he doesn't have Trump's ear he at least has the ear of some who do i.e. Steve Bannon). I see him in the same way i do a Perle. That's why I found the punch so satisfying.
i wasn't referring to the free speech of the puncher, since i assumed it was obvious that physical assault isn't an exercise of free speech. i was referring to the free speech of Nazi boy and his white homeland pipe dream

also, don't be too satisfied. the idiot who cold-cocked him is just contributing to the legitimisation of violence as a form of public 'debate'. it won't be so satisfying when Milo's fanboys start ripping off veils while yelling DEUS VULT :|
He's using euro neo-fascist trends, in the same way as Le Pen or the AfD, playing it cool, blaming the "Lügenpresse". Pretty interesting history behind that phrase, btw.
That weasel did deserve a good punching.
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Both of those videos are pretty accurate in my opinion and I think the US is in a world of hurt, as for an eye for a eye, I realize we do have done a lot of things wrong in this world, we have done a lot of things right too. No matter how the ball bounces from here lets hope it works out not only for the US but for the rest of the world
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The Dallas Stars on Saturday night appeared to mock President Donald Trump after he claimed the media lied about the crowd size at his inauguration.

When announcing the attendance at the game, the Stars Jumbotron displayed a number far larger than the number of people the arena holds: 1.5 million.

The American Airlines Center holds about 20,000 people.
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Coincidentally they were playing against Washington's team.
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:olo:
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Military refused Trump’s bid to parade missile launchers at inauguration
https://nypost.com/2017/01/20/military- ... uguration/
If there are fighter jets flying over Washington, people are going to assume something bad is happening
and they would be correct
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