This time it wasn't a school

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It's your not you're... the end. :tard:
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3 out of 4 ain't bad.
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You have to get a license to drive a car, you should have to get a license in order to own a gun. You have to register your car every year, you should have to register your guns, too. The 2nd amendment was written at a time when the most advanced weapons were flintlock pistols and muskets which fired 3 rounds per minute and were only accurate up to 100 some-odd yards. It was written right after the American Revolution, when it was seen as necessary for the people to be able to defend themselves from a tyrranical government. Even though it initially only applied to well-regulated militias, the Supreme Court recently has said that it applies to individuals but that the right is not unlimited and doesn't prohibit regulation.
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I agree that you should have to have a license if you want to own a mag fed firearm or a gun that has a fixed capacity of more than 10 rounds. Otherwise, you can own it without restriction. I don't agree with a registry. You shouldn't have to report what you own to the government if you are a law abiding citizen. Also the musket argument moot. We have to know that our founding fathers had enough foresight to know that as time passed there would be advancements.
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I don't think the founding fathers could have any idea we'd have guns that can shoot 600 rounds per minute or kill people at a distance of over 3km. I'm pretty sure they also had no idea about tanks, fighters, remotely controlled drones, ballistic missiles or nuclear warheads.
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The the original concept was to protect ourselves from the government. If the government's weapons advance, so should the people's.
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That's so fucked up.
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If you could go to a gun range and shoot all the assault rifles that you wanted but couldn't take them home I'd be open to something like that. It would be closer to what the 2nd amendment arguably is with the well regulated militia and all that.
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DooMer wrote:If you could go to a gun range and shoot all the assault rifles that you wanted but couldn't take them home I'd be open to something like that. It would be closer to what the 2nd amendment arguably is with the well regulated militia and all that.

Thats the only way these gun should stay in civilian hands anyways.


Gramps. You're losing your assault rifles :olo:
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Poor SOAP-on-a-ROPEboy is so upset and foolish.
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DooMer wrote:If you could go to a gun range and shoot all the assault rifles that you wanted but couldn't take them home I'd be open to something like that. It would be closer to what the 2nd amendment arguably is with the well regulated militia and all that.
I think we need licensing and better regulations before anything else is considered.
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YourGrandpa wrote:Poor SOAP-on-a-ROPEboy is so upset and foolish.
:olo: If you think I'm upset :olo:

:olo: If you think YOU actually have any effect on my mood :olo: Oh wait, I guess you do make me laugh :olo:

YourGrandpa wrote:
I think we need licensing and better regulations before anything else is considered.

Anything so you don't lose your MURDER TOYS right? :olo:

Just admit you like guns because they are fun man. You don't need em. :olo:
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London now considering knife bans? They are supposedliy looking at prohibiting the online sale and home delivery of knives.

Don't focus on the problem, focus on the tool.

Lunacy.
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SOAPboy wrote: :mad:
I think you might need a few more smileys to prove how not upset you are.
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YourGrandpa wrote:
I think you might need a few more smileys to prove how not upset you are.
:olo: :olo: :olo: :olo: :olo: :olo: :olo: :olo: :olo: :olo: :olo:
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DooMer wrote:You got 2 sides, one is against gun violence cuz their friends just got shot up, and the other is the NRA with clear financial motivations for not wanting any kind of gun control. What information are you going by when you decide that the former is some kind of conspiracy, but what the NRA is doing is fine, cuz I'm confused as heck?
I recently listened to a great podcast episode about the history of the NRA by Radiolab, it's really worth a listen and puts this whole discussion into perspective.
For nearly 200 years of our nation’s history, the Second Amendment was an all-but-forgotten rule about the importance of militias. But in the 1960s and 70s, a movement emerged — led by Black Panthers and a recently-repositioned NRA — that insisted owning a firearm was the right of each and every American. So began a constitutional debate that only the Supreme Court could solve. That didn’t happen until 2008, when a Washington, D.C. security guard named Dick Heller made a compelling case.
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Surely the prospect of someone with the cognitive dysfunction and mental disability that Gwamps presents is reason enough alone that firearms should banned completely?

Does it not scare you that someone this stupid is armed with no regulation?
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I'm stupid because I have a different opinion...

That certainly took an enormous amount of contemplation to form that thought. :tard:
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Your main arguments against a ban on AR-15's seem to be the oppressive government fallacy and the "but they're doing it worse" fallacy. Two very poor ways of reasoning.
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But that's your opinion. I'm not the only person who has my opinion. You don't actually KNOW anything. So what you think has no more value than what I think.

BTW, I've never made any claims about an oppressive or tyrannical government. You did. I actually disputed your original statement. But keep saying it if it makes you feels better about your ignorance.
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If you follow the reasoning that there are other problems causing more deaths per year, then you're basically saying that you don't have to do anything about a cause of preventable deaths until all other problems that cause more deaths are solved. Even you must agree that this is a weird way of reasoning and just isn't right.

As for the gov't thing, you're saying an armed populace is a requirement for keeping the government in check. Europe is proof that this obviously isn't true in one direction and a bunch of African nations are proof of how this isn't true in the other direction as well. Like I've said, the US itself is a clear example of how this is bullshit because right now you're stuck with the worst and incompetent government in ages. Today people aren't controlled by guns and force anymore. It's through Internet and television/media.

I'm sticking with the theory that people genuinely are getting increasingly sick of hearing about mass (school) shootings and want something to be done about it. If that starts off with a blanket ban on private ownership of AR-15's and comparable weapons, then that's a reasonable starting point.
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Eraser wrote:If you follow the reasoning that there are other problems causing more deaths per year, then you're basically saying that you don't have to do anything about a cause of preventable deaths until all other problems that cause more deaths are solved. Even you must agree that this is a weird way of reasoning and just isn't right.
I'm not suggesting that at ALL. I'm suggesting that if you actually cared about life, you approach this issue (as well as others) in a manner that would save lives. AGAIN, there are NO guarantees that banning AR-15 style rifles will prevent ANYTHING. This is further supported by the FACT that hand guns cause 80% of gun deaths and AR-15 style rifle cause less than 1%. Starting with the AR-15, if you are actually concerned about life, seems STUPID or part of an agenda.
Eraser wrote:As for the gov't thing, you're saying an armed populace is a requirement for keeping the government in check. Europe is proof that this obviously isn't true in one direction and a bunch of African nations are proof of how this isn't true in the other direction as well. Like I've said, the US itself is a clear example of how this is bullshit because right now you're stuck with the worst and incompetent government in ages. Today people aren't controlled by guns and force anymore. It's through Internet and television/media.
I disagree and so does history.
Eraser wrote:I'm sticking with the theory that people genuinely are getting increasingly sick of hearing about mass (school) shootings and want something to be done about it. If that starts off with a blanket ban on private ownership of AR-15's and comparable weapons, then that's a reasonable starting point.
Stick to your line of thought. It has no more merit or authority and you certainly are entitled. A more reasonable starting point would be to address better regulating the distribution of firearms and identifying mental heath issues. But hey, it's easier and more convenient to disarm millions of law abiding citizens. :tard:
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YourGrandpa wrote:I'm stupid because I have a different opinion...

That certainly took an enormous amount of contemplation to form that thought. :tard:
No, you're stupid because you say and do stupid things.
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phantasmagoria wrote:No, you're stupid because you say and do stupid things.
When you're stupid lots of thing you don't understand seem stupid, stupid.
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I don't think you're in any position to call someone else stupid. You're willfully ignoring the fact that stricter gun laws in other countries result in less gun violence. Until you acknowledge that it works and is proven to work you're simply uttering nonsense.

The only guns civilians should own are single shot hunting rifles and those that have them should go through a rigorous check to deter those that intend to use them for anything but hunting sport.
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