Netscape vs. Firefox vs. IE

Post by **R00k** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:48 am

And all the adware/spyware anybody wants to write destroys it.

Post by **U4EA** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 1:37 am

Firefox has some SERIOUS problems running certain kinds of ActiveX/JScript pages (e.g. running pages off the webserver on an IP Camera). CPU usage shoots up to a constant 50% on a machine with a hyper-threaded processor and 100% on a machine with a normal processor. IE doesn't have this problem.

Other than that, I'm pretty happy with Firefox.

Post by **Dr_Watson** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 1:38 am

if you're going to use IE why not use MyIE2

Post by **R00k** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 1:39 am

Yea, I consider it a small price to pay for a good browser, since I always have shitty IE to fall back on for things that don't seem to be compatible.

Post by **inphlict** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 2:21 am

Just use ie when needed and firefox for all, it's not the browsers fault but people who use frontpage and then don't check how it looks on other browsers.

Post by **SplishSplash** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 9:37 am

FlamingTP wrote:IE: free, built in, no work.

Firefox: free, 1 install, MUCH less vulnerabilities, hence less work in the long run.

Post by **SOAPboy** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 9:39 am

dzjepp wrote:Maxthon is where it's at.

/signed

Been using Maxthon (Myie2) Since it was beta.. ill never switch back..

Post by **SplishSplash** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 9:44 am

What are the advantages of Maxthon when compared to Firefox?

Post by **SOAPboy** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 9:47 am

SplishSplash wrote:What are the advantages of Maxthon when compared to Firefox?

well..

You know how firefox fucks up some websites, maxthon dont.. thats about it..

maxthon has all the same shit firefox does.. maybe minus the google mail toolbar thing.. dunno tho, i dont use and wouldnt use something like that..

Post by **denzii** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 10:10 am

riddla wrote:IE7 will be out soon and I'll bet money it steals all the best features found in the alternatives.

Why should anything change? M$ was built on stealing ideas.

Post by **SOAPboy** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 10:15 am

denzii wrote:
riddla wrote:IE7 will be out soon and I'll bet money it steals all the best features found in the alternatives.
Why should anything change? M$ was built on stealing ideas.

hey im ok with them stealing the ideas.. less 3rd party shit i have to install.. im a M$ whore..

Post by **denzii** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 10:19 am

That's a great way of looking at it.

Post by **Tormentius** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 5:41 pm

SplishSplash wrote:
FlamingTP wrote:IE: free, built in, no work.
Firefox: free, 1 install, MUCH less vulnerabilities, hence less work in the long run.

Thats only because FF has a very small market share. As that share gets larger watch their code get hacked as bad as IE's ever was. Its not more secure, its just not a large enough target.

Post by **Tormentius** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 5:42 pm

R00k wrote:I love Firefox. Once I adjusted the network settings, it loads pages just as fast as IE ever did, and I don't have to have 3rd party software to stop popups.

SP2++ I used to use Google's blocker but the built-in one with SP2 does a better job.

Post by **PhoeniX** » Sun Feb 27, 2005 6:02 pm

Mozilla patches their exploits much quicker than MS, though.

Post by **Tormentius** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:28 am

PhoeniX wrote:Mozilla patches their exploits much quicker than MS, though.

Mozilla also doesn't bother with a fraction of the compatibility testing which MS goes through :icon1:

Post by **4g3nt_Smith** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:07 am

You mean the compatibility testing that results in not being able to render the majority ofthe W3C standards?

Post by **Kills On Site** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:13 am

SOAPboy wrote:
denzii wrote:
riddla wrote:IE7 will be out soon and I'll bet money it steals all the best features found in the alternatives.
Why should anything change? M$ was built on stealing ideas.
hey im ok with them stealing the ideas.. less 3rd party shit i have to install.. im a M$ whore..

OH NO!!! MS stealing money from Mozilla!!!!

Wait both are free, so it is better for everyone if competition helps competition

Post by **Kills On Site** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:18 am

4g3nt_Smith wrote:You mean the compatibility testing that results in not being able to render the majority ofthe W3C standards?

i think we all know that you hate everything about MS, ok? You are like the people that keep telling me I am going to hell for not being Christian, and it gets annoying.

Post by **bitWISE** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:21 am

Kills On Site wrote:
4g3nt_Smith wrote:You mean the compatibility testing that results in not being able to render the majority ofthe W3C standards?
i think we all know that you hate everything about MS, ok? You are like the people that keep telling me I am going to hell for not being Christian, and it gets annoying.

Actually that is my main complaint about IE as well. IE7 is supposed to fix this though.

Post by **Tormentius** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:49 am

4g3nt_Smith wrote:You mean the compatibility testing that results in not being able to render the majority ofthe W3C standards?

Well since they have the vast majority of the market the reality of the situation is that MS defines what is standard. I'm not saying its right, but thats the way it is.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:03 am

Tormentius wrote:
4g3nt_Smith wrote:You mean the compatibility testing that results in not being able to render the majority ofthe W3C standards?
Well since they have the vast majority of the market the reality of the situation is that MS defines what is standard. I'm not saying its right, but thats the way it is.

But that is changing. Maybe not tomorrow, but soon enough Microsoft won't be the majority anymore.

edit: I'm migrating away from MS a bit at a time. Not abandoning it mind you, just not going to be so dependant on them.

Post by **Kills On Site** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:56 am

Scourge wrote:
Tormentius wrote:
4g3nt_Smith wrote:You mean the compatibility testing that results in not being able to render the majority ofthe W3C standards?
Well since they have the vast majority of the market the reality of the situation is that MS defines what is standard. I'm not saying its right, but thats the way it is.
But that is changing. Maybe not tomorrow, but soon enough Microsoft won't be the majority anymore.

edit: I'm migrating away from MS a bit at a time. Not abandoning it mind you, just not going to be so dependant on them.

I think MS will maintain majority for quite some time, but I believe that they are now more compleled to follow standards.

Post by **Grudge** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:28 am

There are lots of reasons for MS to become 100% W3C compliant. They will be with IE7.

Post by **U4EA** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:34 am

Tormentius wrote:Thats only because FF has a very small market share. As that share gets larger watch their code get hacked as bad as IE's ever was. Its not more secure, its just not a large enough target.

As much I like Microsoft, I'm gonna have to say that's a bullshit argument. Apache has a much larger market share for web servers compared to IIS, yet has far fewer and much less serious exploits for it out there. Microsoft has always been about user-friendliness and features as opposed to security and robustness.

There's been a trend at MS to focus more on security (and that has to be applauded for sure) after Bill Gates's recent memo on "trust-worthy computing" .. I suggest you read it as it's quite interesting.