post a better guitarist than

[l0g1c]

like?

You want an example of music that I like that most of my non-musician friends don't?

edit:

La Forza Del Destino Overture by Verdi:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3gCCL7raR34& ... ed&search=

Paradigm Shift by LTE:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Jeva6nuzElA

Peach, Plum, Pear by Joanna Newsom:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sV1a6UBdrPk

This is veering off topic, but I think the three songs illustrate my point.

[mrd]

Why the heck are you freaks arguing about music and who is a better guitar player? You'd be better off to stuff a fire-cracker up your ass and light it on fire. Logic has it right.

Soap, just cuz you play GH doesn't mean you have intimate knowledge of what makes a guitar player good. I'm sure you'd get annoyed if I started telling you how to do a cave run or whatever in WOW cuz I've never touched the game so I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. You talking about guitar as if you've been playing it for several years is equally retarded. Guitar Hero is a stupid, watered down, party version of a real guitar. Real guitar is infinitely more complex and nuanced than that game. The only thing that Guitar Hero teaches you is how to follow rhythms. If you don't like Buckethead's music, fine. I agree that 75-80% of it is totally fucked up and un-listenable more than once or unless you're extremely fucking high. But to say that he is a hack at guitar playing is totally ignorant. Don't let a musician's music be a describer of their skill with the instrument.

haha fuck... we can't even type cracka in this place without some lawl neegers?

[R00k]

Honestly that was pretty underwhelming. Not sure if you play any instruments or not, but what he played there could be done by pretty much anybody who knows how to transpose a scale to different keys, and knows the basic blues scale.

Plus, with the exception of one part I noticed, he was trying to push his blues sound into the jazz accompaniment, and it kinda made him seem like he was out of his depth with a different style.

His vocals were right on though.

Okay, that was a bit strong. I certainly wasn't trying to imply I could play as well as him (far from it), or that he isn't a great guitarist. I have a lot of appreciation for BB King and he's done a lot of awesome stuff. But - without the hyperbole this time - I've heard plenty of other guitarists play as soulfully as that.

[l0g1c]

Honestly that was pretty underwhelming. Not sure if you play any instruments or not, but what he played there could be done by pretty much anybody who knows how to transpose a scale to different keys, and knows the basic blues scale.

Plus, with the exception of one part I noticed, he was trying to push his blues sound into the jazz accompaniment, and it kinda made him seem like he was out of his depth with a different style.

His vocals were right on though.

Okay, that was a bit strong. I certainly wasn't trying to imply I could play as well as him (far from it), or that he isn't a great guitarist. I have a lot of appreciation for BB King and he's done a lot of awesome stuff. But - without the hyperbole this time - I've heard plenty of other guitarists play as soulfully as that.

For the record, I agree with ya, Rook. BB is a fantastic guitar player, but what really puts him in the books is he's the complete package. He's a great singer, lyricist and guitar player and he puts a lot of feeling into his music. There are plenty of guitarists who could play circles around BB.

[mrd]

Can anyone on these forums really play guitar well enough to call any of these guys a hack?

With music i've always figured if you like someone's stuff who cares if it is the most technically impressive or whatever?

That's a good rule to go by. Musicians, particularly guitarists, are generally stuck up assholes with egos the size of football fields who think everybody but themselves is a fucking hack and they could do better with their hands tied behind their back. Of course when they are asked to demonstrate, the excuses start coming out of the woodwork. Personally, I think it's far more exciting when someone shows someone else up without any warning. Actions speak louder than words, you know?

However, once you start playing guitar, you do start to appreciate more technical stuff because you know how hard it is to physically play. Not to say that "normal" people don't appreciate technical/progressive playing styles and music, but personally I've noticed that since I've started playing guitar, I've gone out of my way to find new music that might seem overly complex or progressive to said normal person. Case in point: Meshuggah. I love this band to death, but I know many people hate them and think I'm some sort of barbaric moron for listening to them. I try to tell them the focus point of that band is poly-rhythmic grooves but they can't get past the singer who screams his face off as hard as he can for every single song (another quality I rather enjoy).

[Big Kahuna Burger]

i really couldn't care less how fast a guitar player can play, just like i don't care how fast my drummer can hit the kick drum. you're not john fucking bonham, just play tastefully. when i gig, my piano player knows he's getting paid NOT to play. same with guitar. guitarists who can shred but can't voice anything are worthless in the real world

[l0g1c]

i really couldn't care less how fast a guitar player can play, just like i don't care how fast my drummer can hit the kick drum. you're not john fucking bonham, just play tastefully. when i gig, my piano player knows he's getting paid NOT to play. same with guitar. guitarists who can shred but don't voice anything are worthless in the real world

Jazz player?

I don't know where the quote comes from, but one thing that sums things up quite nicely is that some of the best musicians are the ones who know how to play the space between the notes. This goes doubly for the rhythm section.

[Big Kahuna Burger]

yeah. that's very true.

and that's what makes BB king and all those other cats legends. they know when notes to play and when and more importantly when not to play. they respect the space their band creates and contribute to the music rather than stand on top of it and scream.

[Melvin]

That's the problem with a lot of musicians and particularly the wannabe amateurs, they think being a good player is about how many notes per nano-second they can play. Being a good musician is mostly about what you don't play.

[Geebs]

"It's what you don't play" is a bunch of bullshit thought up by workaday musicians who are grinding up against their own mediocrity. Those with actual talent know that it doesn't matter what you play, as long as you play something good.

[Doombrain]

"It's what you don't play" is a bunch of bullshit thought up by workaday musicians

lol, you're dissing whats essentially a Miles Davis quote.

Let me guess, you're a guitar player?

[Doombrain]

thought you were going to calm down now we stopped deleting your posts in the spam fourm?

[+JuggerNaut+]

fat chance.

[r3t]

like?

You want an example of music that I like that most of my non-musician friends don't?

Paradigm Shift by LTE:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Jeva6nuzElA

Great song! I like LTE alot.

[Geebs]

"It's what you don't play" is a bunch of bullshit thought up by workaday musicians

lol, you're dissing whats essentially a Miles Davis quote.

Let me guess, you're a guitar player?

Firstly, what he actually said was "Don't play what's there, play what's not there". Not the same thing at all.

Secondly, Miles Davis, when not accusing Louis Armstrong of being an Uncle Tom, was a racist wifebeating cunt.

[Melvin]

"It's what you don't play" is a bunch of bullshit thought up by workaday musicians who are grinding up against their own mediocrity. Those with actual talent know that it doesn't matter what you play, as long as you play something good.

Well no, it's not bullshit at all. The best musicians in the world will leave tons of space if they have enough musical integrity to know what is required and what is overkill. If you were playing in frank zappas band then the music tends to demand a ton of notes. If you were playing in a funk band though, leaving more space will usually make it feel a lot groovier.

"doesn't matter what you play, as long as you play something good", yeah well, to play something good might just mean playing 3 choice notes at the right moment of the tune which could have a more profound effect on the piece than someone who played 20 zillion notes.

[Big Kahuna Burger]

Firstly, what he actually said was "Don't play what's there, play what's not there". Not the same thing at all.

Secondly, Miles Davis, when not accusing Louis Armstrong of being an Uncle Tom, was a racist wifebeating cunt.

And the greatest jazz musician ever.

and it was Dizzy who said it took me my whole life to learn what not to play

[Geebs]

Secondly, Miles Davis, when not accusing Louis Armstrong of being an Uncle Tom, was a racist wifebeating cunt.

lol

what does being a racist wifebeating cunt have to do with anything when discussing musical ability?

What does getting a quote right have to do with a discussion? Apparently nothing.

fact.

Opinion.

[Geebs]

and it was Dizzy who said it took me my whole life to learn what not to play

All that the above really adds to the discussion is a reminder that musicians do talk a lot of shit. It's not what you say, it's what you play.

[Mogul]

Pat Metheny. The end.

[MKJ]

since we're not talking about 'whos better than yng' anymore. how come noone mentioned Nuno Bettencourt?

[+JuggerNaut+]

the man is a god. point.

[MaCaBr3]

You know all those guitarist are 1 by 1 great musicians. At the end it's just about what kind of music you like. Carlos Santana is too many a great guitarist, but I can't stand his style or music. Is he bad guitarist, not at all.

What I like the most are these unknows studio guitarist who play for instance for Zuchero or some random TV Theme and compose amazing solos the non-musician hardly ever notice.

[plained]

tommy tedeco was the greatest studio tv theme guitarist ever!

he did tons of movies too like the bond stuff.

he used mostly an old tele!

http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&keyword ... =qs&page=1

[bitWISE]

like?

Paradigm Shift by LTE:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Jeva6nuzElA

That was pretty awesome. Distort the guitars and you're pretty much listening to black metal.