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GONNAFISTYA wrote:There still is no discussion in most media about the horrible implications of his revelations. All the headlines are about the leaker, and not what he leaked.

Pretty fucking retarded and such a wasted opportunity. What do you expect from another species of shit-slinging monkeys?

MKJ wrote:

GONNAFISTYA wrote:There still is no discussion in most media about the horrible implications of his revelations. All the headlines are about the leaker, and not what he leaked.

Pretty fucking retarded and such a wasted opportunity. What do you expect from another species of shit-slinging monkeys?

An excellent point

Yet what's as remarkable as Aum's potential for mayhem is how little of it, on balance, they actually caused. Don't misunderstand me: Aum's crimes were horrific, not merely the terrible subway gassing but their long history of murder, intimidation, extortion, fraud, and exploitation. What they did was unforgivable, and the human cost, devastating. But at no point did Aum Shinrikyo represent an existential threat to Japan or its people. The death toll of Aum was several dozen; again, a terrible human cost, but not an existential threat. At no time was the territorial integrity of Japan threatened. At no time was the operational integrity of the Japanese government threatened. At no time was the day-to-day operation of the Japanese economy meaningfully threatened. The threat to the average Japanese citizen was effectively nil.

Just as important was what the Japanese government and people did not do. They didn't panic. They didn't make sweeping changes to their way of life. They didn't implement a vast system of domestic surveillance. They didn't suspend basic civil rights. They didn't begin to capture, torture, and kill without due process. They didn't, in other words, allow themselves to be terrorized. Instead, they addressed the threat. They investigated and arrested the cult's leadership. They tried them in civilian courts and earned convictions through due process. They buried their dead. They mourned. And they moved on. In every sense, it was a rational, adult, mature response to a terrible terrorist act, one that remained largely in keeping with liberal democratic ideals.

U4EA wrote:Lessons from Japan's response to Aum Shinrikyo:

Yet what's as remarkable as Aum's potential for mayhem is how little of it, on balance, they actually caused. Don't misunderstand me: Aum's crimes were horrific, not merely the terrible subway gassing but their long history of murder, intimidation, extortion, fraud, and exploitation. What they did was unforgivable, and the human cost, devastating. But at no point did Aum Shinrikyo represent an existential threat to Japan or its people. The death toll of Aum was several dozen; again, a terrible human cost, but not an existential threat. At no time was the territorial integrity of Japan threatened. At no time was the operational integrity of the Japanese government threatened. At no time was the day-to-day operation of the Japanese economy meaningfully threatened. The threat to the average Japanese citizen was effectively nil.

Just as important was what the Japanese government and people did not do. They didn't panic. They didn't make sweeping changes to their way of life. They didn't implement a vast system of domestic surveillance. They didn't suspend basic civil rights. They didn't begin to capture, torture, and kill without due process. They didn't, in other words, allow themselves to be terrorized. Instead, they addressed the threat. They investigated and arrested the cult's leadership. They tried them in civilian courts and earned convictions through due process. They buried their dead. They mourned. And they moved on. In every sense, it was a rational, adult, mature response to a terrible terrorist act, one that remained largely in keeping with liberal democratic ideals.

Eraser wrote:Been saying this since 9/11: judging by all the so-called security measures taken since that fatal day, the terrorists have already won.

Minister questions legality of mass tapping of calls and internet and demands to know extent to which Germans were targeted...

...Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger sent two letters on Tuesday to the British justice secretary, Chris Grayling, and the home secretary, Theresa May, stressing the widespread concern the disclosures have triggered in Germany and demanding to know the extent to which German citizens have been targeted.

It is the first major challenge to David Cameron's government to publicly justify its mass data-trawling operation, which was revealed in documents leaked by the former US intelligence contractor Edward Snowden.

Germany's chancellor, Angela Merkel, has made clear her frustration that many of the questions raised by the disclosures made by the whistleblower have gone unanswered by the Obama administration.

Several German state officials have confirmed that they have sponsored a piece of software described as a "federal trojan" that can be used to spy on citizens.

The trojan, referred to as Bundestrojaner ("federal trojan") or R2D2, was first discovered by German hacker group Chaos Computer Club.

losCHUNK wrote:lol Germany calling us Nazis

seremtan wrote:

losCHUNK wrote:lol Germany calling us Nazis

except that they didn't, and who's this "we"?

also stfu about WWII, srsly. it's over, everyone's dead, fuck off

losCHUNK wrote:The 'we' I thought was obvious but if you need clarification then I mean Britain and the government that we voted for collectively. Ya know seeing as it is our government that's one of the targets of these allegations and who Germany are currently pointing fingers at. He started it with the WWII n all, I never mentioned the war .

Why so serious tho ?. Can't I call people nazis for acting like cunts anymore ?, how about cunt ?, is that allowed ?. Obviously they didn't call us Nazis and you'd be a moron to think they did

GONNAFISTYA wrote:semencan is touchy about Nazis because he had to eat a few to survive back in 'Nam.