Why don't Europeans play American Football?

[Chupacabra]

Ironically enough, according to NFL.com for the 2003-2004 (sorry I dont have the latest data):

"There are currently nine black starting quarterbacks on 32 NFL teams."

i can't name that many...maybe quincy carter (but he got replaced by bledsoe right?), aaron brooks, steve mcnair, who knows who else.

maybe the number changed by one or two names for this season but the numbers seem pretty fair IMO.

also its not just a question of how many players but the "star" quality of players. as mentioned before, vick, culpepper and mcnabb are some of the biggest stars in the NFL.

[CrinklyArse]

i haven't read any of this thread.. but mainly i don't play it cos i haven't got a clue how to.

[Chupacabra]

so how you figure?
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i think your type of thinking is actually part of the problem.

[Foo]

not related to the above but read the below webpage and then tell me society isnt racist.

http://www.inquiry.net/outdoor/summer/tag/black_man.htm

Lol what? I used to have a golliwog when I was a kid, am I supposed to feel guilty?

EDIT: Sorry, sorry. I mean imitation ethnic minority comforter.

[phantasmagoria]

Golliwogs fucking owned, I had one in a plane waving, and one pushing a lawnmower.

[[FTF]Pyro]

i think your type of thinking is actually part of the problem.

Thats my point, I dont care if my kid has a picture of a white, black, girl, boy, arab, asian, whatever on my wall. But most people do. 240 million people are white living in this country with 40 million blacks and the rest made up of other "ethnic minorities"


The post isnt designed to reflect how I feel about other race's (I hate everyone equally) my post is designed to reflect what general joe bloggs, thats pissed off because his company has hired 2 blacks and 3 asians to meet a quota of ethnics they must have, is thinking.


Racism under any guise is stupid but whether its the media








conjuring up images to help us think that there are devides between the races or people imagining that all of a sudden you are going to have an all star quarter back thats not white is just stupid.


Money rules america - You aint going to alienate 90 percent of the states (outwith the east and west coasts every state is predominantely made up of whites or more commonly known as "middle America") by having a team made up of people that the population cant relate too or you'll see money diverted from the sport into something or somewhere else.



Be a realist, open your eyes and see what is going on around you instead of walking around in a daze thinking that you're living in the land of the free homne of the (white)brave - integration wasnt even fully developed in this country till early 1970's - there is a whole generation of people that are still alive that have spent the majority of there life being seated in the "white" or "black" sections of busses, halls, stores, hotels, calsses etc.

[[FTF]Pyro]

not related to the above but read the below webpage and then tell me society isnt racist.

http://www.inquiry.net/outdoor/summer/tag/black_man.htm

Lol what? I used to have a golliwog when I was a kid, am I supposed to feel guilty?

EDIT: Sorry, sorry. I mean imitation ethnic minority comforter.

You dont need to feel anything, just be aware that it is the way it is and things can change disregard it and it never will, personally I dont care, I am well off, white and male...... top of the food chain, changing things doesnt mean a thing to me.

[R00k]

I'm not saying there isn't a lot of racist shit and people still in our society.

But do you want to implement some sort of affirmative action for football quarterbacks now?

My team - and this is in NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE, mind you - has a black quarterback, and nearly every fucking person in this town loves him and would never want to replace him.

There is a draft and money system in the NFL, and players are picked on skill level as well as cost. If you think the NFL discriminates with race over money and winning, then yes, you're overly bitter.

It could be argued, however, that due to racist influences in schools at earlier ages, black kids are 'dissuaded' from being quarterbacks, giving the nation fewer talented black quarterbacks altogether.

But this is not a reflection of the sport of football itself.

Oh, BTW, one of our best receivers/runningbacks is also white - Drew Bennett.

[[FTF]Pyro]

But do you want to implement some sort of affirmative action for football quarterbacks now?

Absolutely not, america is best man for the job and thats the way it should be. but your point below spells it out

It could be argued, however, that due to racist influences in schools at earlier ages, black kids are 'dissuaded' from being quarterbacks, giving the nation fewer talented black quarterbacks altogether.

thanks rook at least someone has got it.

[R00k]

You aint going to alienate 90 percent of the states (outwith the east and west coasts every state is predominantely made up of whites or more commonly known as "middle America") by having a team made up of people that the population cant relate too or you'll see money diverted from the sport into something or somewhere else.

Do you have any idea how the drafting system works in the NFL?

I would say most of the teams in the country practically have a majority of black players. And it doesn't vary that much based on state or geographical location - at least nowhere near like it used to. Teams have nothing to do with area anymore. Players will belong to a team for a couple years, then move completely to the other side of the country to play with a different team because they got drafted, or their old team's salary cap meant they couldn't afford the player anymore, or his contract ran out and he became a free agent, or some other reason.

I'm not saying racism isn't a problem. I'm just saying you are using arguments to make cases that aren't true, thereby making it worse in some cases than it is. Or, in other words, the same thing you accuse the media of doing.

[[FTF]Pyro]

I'm not saying racism isn't a problem. I'm just saying you are using arguments to make cases that aren't true, thereby making it worse in some cases than it is. Or, in other words, the same thing you accuse the media of doing.

I still stand by my arguement that most white people will refer to Dan Marino or joe montana rather than Daunte Cullpepper

Those who are in-the-know are aware that those selections are historic. Since 1963 (an incredible 36 years), a paltry total of only four Black quarterbacks had been chosen in the first round (Eldridge Dickey, Oakland Raiders 1968; Doug Williams, Tampa Bay 1978; Andre Ware, Detroit 1990; Steve McNair, Houston Oilers 1995). Some say racism was the culprit for the omission; others say it was the belief that Blacks didn't have "the necessities" to play quarterback.

as pathetic as it is

[losCHUNK]

what ever you say tough guy
some NFL linebackers and strong safeties wouldnt hesitate to take off their helmets and absolutely murder any rugby team without trying
NFL has some of the strongest-fastest-toughest all in one athletes in the world

they would run out of breath after 2 minutes

you must have no clue about sports

this was argued a page or 2 ago... go get those quotes then get back to me

[Nightshade]

I don't think that professional sports are really the place to make an argument that there aren't enough minority players.
I forgot about the other quarterbacks, but then again, they aren't franchise players. I'd also hazard a guess that the majority of NFL rookie and college QBs are white. Who's the next superstar QB? Matt Linehart from USC, a white guy.

[arak0r]

can rugby players do THAT?

[[FTF]Pyro]

I don't think that professional sports are really the place to make an argument that there aren't enough minority players.


Absolutely not,

I forgot about the other quarterbacks, but then again, they aren't franchise players. I'd also hazard a guess that the majority of NFL rookie and college QBs are white. Who's the next superstar QB? Matt Linehart from USC, a white guy.

Like you say, your big, allsinging all dancing, brightest star in the sky quarter back will ALWAYS be white. Reason - White people lead the minorties to victory.

Take the movie the Patriot - Black man has to prove he has the guts and heart to fight the british to be american, all the others (whites) are just american by default. They are accepted.

Life reflecting movie reflecting life and so on.

We sit here in our self righteous chairs thinking we know it all and have the right way of doing things, condeming the actions of others and the idiocies of those we oppose. Yet throughout history the white race has been the biggest barbarians of them all, slaughtering millions in the crusade because of a difference in religion, Enslaving and entire continent then pretending that we set them free with the emancipation procumation, slaughtering millions of jews based upon a superiority complex and money, Taking over continents and wiping out the indeginous habitants then claiming THEM to be the minority (see Native American and Aboriginies)


And people think that this doesnt continue into today because "we are educated" ....... makes me vomit and curse the ignorance of those that cant see that racism is a fundamental part of society

You are right though Nightshade its not really about football.

[losCHUNK]

[werldhed]

I don't think that professional sports are really the place to make an argument that there aren't enough minority players.
I forgot about the other quarterbacks, but then again, they aren't franchise players. I'd also hazard a guess that the majority of NFL rookie and college QBs are white. Who's the next superstar QB? Matt Linehart from USC, a white guy.

Absolutely not, but your big, allsinging all dancing, brightest star in the sky quarter back will ALWAYS be white. Reason - White people lead the minorties to victory.

Take the movie the Patriot - Black man has to prove he has the guts and heart to fight the british to be american, all the others (whites) are just american by default. They are accepted.

Life reflecting movie reflecting life and so on.

Now who's racist?

[Nightshade]

He's not being racist, he's making a statement about the current state of affairs.
Although I must say, I think a lot of racism is media hype.

[[FTF]Pyro]

He's not being racist, he's making a statement about the current state of affairs.
Although I must say, I think a lot of racism is media hype.

media hype = the morons that listen to it believing it......


After all if you cant trust FOX who can you trust.

[werldhed]

I think he is being racist. He keeps making sweeping generalizations about whites.

[[FTF]Pyro]

I think he is being racist. He keeps making sweeping generalizations about whites.

I am white, you moron. Its like a black guy calling another black guy a nig(finish it yourself) :icon27: hardly racist is it?


And sweeping generalisations can be applied to the atrocities of the past that are set in stone and actually happened.

They can also be applied to a mass populas where generalisations have to apply (its why its called a generalisation)


IE every white person I have met has been nice, but the white race as a whole are terrible war mongering people.


Every english person I ahve met has been generally nice but as a whole the English arent nice people they colonised 1/4 of the planet for their own gain.

Every American person I have met has ben generally nice but on the whole Americans arent a nice people. They slaughtered an entire Race of people (Native Americans) and Proceeded with the Slave Trade.


Bottom line

People are people, but if you think that your race, creed, color, gender, or nation hasnt had blood on its hands at some point then how can you sit there and view ANYTHING objectively since you are not learning from the past.


Football needs to start accepting that blacks can throw a ball and make decisions just as fast, smart and correctly as any other PERSON, but until AMERICA starts seeing people as people and not as social demographics ("ethnic minority" - funny I thought british was british and american was american not Pakistani American or African American, also you dont hear European American very often do you? You just hear American) then nothing will ever change. But as I said before,


Why should I care, I am wealthy, I am white and I am male, top of the food chain. If nothing changes it doesnt matter to me.

[[FTF]Pyro]

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chunk you're arguing with a guy that says that the allblacks wouldnt stand a chance against some 19 year old college football kids......


:icon27:

[Maiden]

I'd also hazard a guess that the majority of NFL rookie and college QBs are white. Who's the next superstar QB? Matt Linehart from USC, a white guy.

true, but right now 6 out of the top 10 teams have black QB's in Div. 1
think there is 8 or 9 in the top 25 and around 35 of them all together or about 1/3 of the teams.

[[FTF]Pyro]

I'd also hazard a guess that the majority of NFL rookie and college QBs are white. Who's the next superstar QB? Matt Linehart from USC, a white guy.

true, but right now 6 out of the top 10 teams have black QB's in Div. 1
think there is 8 or 9 in the top 25 and around 35 of them all together or about 1/3 of the teams.

You just dont get it. Maybe thats a good thing, maybe its a bad thing, I cant tell.


But one thing is afor sure

A black man can steal your stereo but he cant be your saviour - Chris Rock

Go tell him and every other black man that theres no such thing as racism in the NFL or anywhere else. See what happens.

[Maiden]

I'd also hazard a guess that the majority of NFL rookie and college QBs are white. Who's the next superstar QB? Matt Linehart from USC, a white guy.

true, but right now 6 out of the top 10 teams have black QB's in Div. 1
think there is 8 or 9 in the top 25 and around 35 of them all together or about 1/3 of the teams.

You just dont get it. Maybe thats a good thing, maybe its a bad thing, I cant tell.


But one thing is afor sure

A black man can steal your stereo but he cant be your saviour - Chris Rock

Go tell him and every other black man that theres no such thing as racism in the NFL or anywhere else. See what happens.

i wasn't trying to make a point about race. I was just pointing out to nightshade that although a white guy is number one this year, things are changing in terms of the QB position, thats all.

If I wanted to make a point about race, maybe I would tell you how I experience racism everyday since I am in an interracial relationship or maybe I would point out that Chis Rock's line from Dogma you keep quoting, was written by a white guy named Kevin Smith