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lol, people trying to argue with gramps.

plained wrote:

losCHUNK wrote:

plained wrote:whats a mucka?

buddy / friend or whatnot

ah

well yea companys are required blabla bla


the fact it companys do what they want and if an emplyee cant take it they can get the fuck out

and of corce good emplyee get whatever they want and treated good

the prob is, a shit employee feel they are entitled to the same treatments as good employees

that is not so

its not about companies can do whatever they want, if you think that then your asking to be walked over. you signed a contract, stating your job role and what the company will offer you in return. which will include emergency days off, holidays, lunchbreaks, working times or whatever

now if someone classes a pet dying as an emergency why should the company think any less of them ?, because they are only doing something theyre entitled to do

saturn wrote:lol, people trying to argue with gramps.

this thread is 4 pages long and have 3 billion views. YG's thread has kicked some ass.

you know ... i can't recall a single time where plained has responded to logical argument.

he's a bit like REP in that way, though more harmless.

i cant remember a single time jules has responed to the actual question and not twisted it into a 5 year old childs view of the subject.

and all because he thinks he has to "win"

he really is a good example of someone i would never listen to or even concider anything he says seriosly.

seremtan wrote:five?!?!?!

jesus christ, my holiday allowance (minus public holidays, xmas, easter etc) is 27 days this year. people who've been here longer get even more

I get 4 weeks vacation, 5 sick days, 5 personal days and 9 firm holidays for a total of 39 days off per year. I'm happy with it.

losCHUNK wrote:

plained wrote:

losCHUNK wrote: buddy / friend or whatnot

ah

well yea companys are required blabla bla


the fact it companys do what they want and if an emplyee cant take it they can get the fuck out

and of corce good emplyee get whatever they want and treated good

the prob is, a shit employee feel they are entitled to the same treatments as good employees

that is not so

its not about companies can do whatever they want, if you think that then your asking to be walked over. you signed a contract, stating your job role and what the company will offer you in return. which will include emergency days off, holidays, lunchbreaks, working times or whatever

now if someone classes a pet dying as an emergency why should the company think any less of them ?, because they are only doing something theyre entitled to do

no it shouldnt think less of them

but if the emplyee is jus useing it as an out

fuc 'em


dont kid urself its just a fact that crap employees always hold up the "you wont say anything about my bs cuz then youll be a heartless cunt and i'll go around putting the hate on you to make sure everyone knows how heartless you are" sheild

they dont fool people as they believe .

plained wrote:i cant remember a single time jules has responed to the actual question and not twisted it into a 5 year old view of the subject.

and all because he thinks he has to "win"

he really is a good example of someone i would never listen to or even concider anything he says seriosly.

still upset about that imaginary time I insulted you right?

how about i buy you some ice cream at the zoo before we see the gorilla?

cooochi cooo!

seremtan wrote:looks like Sargepa is confusing a moral claim about the relative importance of humans and animals with the more mundane issue of whether or not a person being very upset over the death of a much-loved pet is grounds for a day off work. the issue in the latter case is the strength of feeling of a HUMAN, so the day off would be granted on the basis of a HUMAN response to pet death, and not be granted as a philosophical pronouncement on the relative worth of humans and animals

dumbass

My point was not that you can't have feelings for animals, but that feeling shouldn't be as strong as your feelings for a human and if it was you are an idiot. Human life is and always will be more valuable than animal. This isn't something I need to prove. It's proven over and over in every day life. Which do you think would bother the general public more? 3000 people die in falling towers or 3000 homeless animals are put to sleep. And if you say anything other than the 3000 people dying, you're still an idiot IMHO. Sorry...

awesome thread.

[xeno]Julios wrote:

plained wrote:i cant remember a single time jules has responed to the actual question and not twisted it into a 5 year old view of the subject.

and all because he thinks he has to "win"

he really is a good example of someone i would never listen to or even concider anything he says seriosly.

still upset about that imaginary time I insulted you right?

how about i buy you some ice cream at the zoo before we see the gorilla?

cooochi cooo!

cornernd into spam agin ey .

well when you can converce like a "grown-up"

i'll be surely fuckin surprized

plained wrote:

losCHUNK wrote:

plained wrote:whats a mucka?

buddy / friend or whatnot

ah

well yea companys are required blabla bla


the fact is companys do what they want and if an emplyee cant take it they can get the fuck out

and of corce good emplyee get whatever they want and treated good

the prob is, a shit employee feel they are entitled to the same treatments as good employees

that is not so

this is particularly stupid

plained wrote:

losCHUNK wrote:

plained wrote: ah

well yea companys are required blabla bla


the fact it companys do what they want and if an emplyee cant take it they can get the fuck out

and of corce good emplyee get whatever they want and treated good

the prob is, a shit employee feel they are entitled to the same treatments as good employees

that is not so

its not about companies can do whatever they want, if you think that then your asking to be walked over. you signed a contract, stating your job role and what the company will offer you in return. which will include emergency days off, holidays, lunchbreaks, working times or whatever

now if someone classes a pet dying as an emergency why should the company think any less of them ?, because they are only doing something theyre entitled to do

no it shouldnt think less of them

but if the emplyee is jus useing it as an out

fuc 'em


dont kid urself its just a fact that crap employees always hold up the "you wont say anything about my bs cuz then youll be a heartless cunt and i'll go around putting the hate on you to make sure everyone knows how heartless you are" sheild

they dont fool people as they believe .

but how is that the case ?

using the same arguement you shouldnt let anyone go on the sick cus they might be faking it

YourGrandpa wrote: Human life is and always will be more valuable than animal. This isn't something I need to prove. It's proven over and over in every day life. Which do you think would bother the general public more? 3000 people die in falling towers or 3000 homeless animals are put to sleep. And if you say anything other than the 3000 people dying, you're still an idiot IMHO. Sorry...

You can't take the general public's feelings as proof that human life is more valuable.

Hitler's regime didn't grieve over the loss of millions of gypsies, jews, arabs, etc. - doesn't mean their lives were less valuable.

Also, consider the fact that if you had a dog you'd known for years, you'd feel worse if she died than some stranger in another land.

Also consider the fact that when a chimp loses its mother, it probably feels worse than when it sees a human die.

it depends which people and how cute the animal is.

if 2 iraqis are blown up in a car bomb, and on the same day a super cute puppy is rescued from death, live on TV - try to work out which story is gonna get the publics emotion going.

im one of the stupid people. i love animals. i dont really care about people who mean nothing to me.

SplishSplash wrote:

YourGrandpa wrote:

SplishSplash wrote:would this be paid/unpaid vacation/sickday?

I guess that would depend on your company's policy.

well, in your case, since you asked

I guess it would be paid if you had personal days that you could use. Unpaid if you didn't. But that's irrelevant to my point. I wouldn't think you should take the day off period.

[xeno]Julios wrote:

YourGrandpa wrote: Human life is and always will be more valuable than animal. This isn't something I need to prove. It's proven over and over in every day life. Which do you think would bother the general public more? 3000 people die in falling towers or 3000 homeless animals are put to sleep. And if you say anything other than the 3000 people dying, you're still an idiot IMHO. Sorry...

You can't take the general public's feelings as proof that human life is more valuable.

Hitler's regime didn't grieve over the loss of millions of gypsies, jews, arabs, etc. - doesn't mean their lives were less valuable.

Also, consider the fact that if you had a dog you'd known for years, you'd feel worse if she died than some stranger in another land.

hitler agin?

holy mackeral

the thread was about an employee matter.

not about valluable animal souls.

why twist it into it?

so you can bring up hitler and how he would do the same as gramps and i?

see how flaked out that is?
everytime someone outdebates you (esily) you resort to these tacticks of trying to destroy the persons credibilty and you also very often directly bring up peeps like hitler and draw similaraties to the person you are attacking



and its not even about the reAL subject at hand

plained wrote:no it shouldnt think less of them

but if the emplyee is jus useing it as an out

I think my other post addressed your concern

Wabbit wrote:YGP, I don't think you're an asshole. I just think you have less empathy in that area.

When I was a supervisor, I didn't base my opinions on isolated incidences. I looked for trends. The person that had excessive absences/lateness was under much more scrutiny (even if they were justified), than a person that had infrequent absences--even if they were for "trivial" reasons.

And this post by Seremtan is dead on:

looks like Sargepa is confusing a moral claim about the relative importance of humans and animals with the more mundane issue of whether or not a person being very upset over the death of a much-loved pet is grounds for a day off work. the issue in the latter case is the strength of feeling of a HUMAN, so the day off would be granted on the basis of a HUMAN response to pet death, and not be granted as a philosophical pronouncement on the relative worth of humans and animals

plained wrote:
hitler agin?

holy mackeral

the thread was about an employee matter.

not about valluable animal souls.

why twist it into it?

so you can bring up hitler and how he would do the same as gramps and i?

see how flaked out that is?

I'm utterly speechless...

are you really that incapable of following an argument?

go back and play with your dolls - we'll be leaving to the zoo in a few hours.

plained wrote:

[xeno]Julios wrote:

YourGrandpa wrote: Human life is and always will be more valuable than animal. This isn't something I need to prove. It's proven over and over in every day life. Which do you think would bother the general public more? 3000 people die in falling towers or 3000 homeless animals are put to sleep. And if you say anything other than the 3000 people dying, you're still an idiot IMHO. Sorry...

You can't take the general public's feelings as proof that human life is more valuable.

Hitler's regime didn't grieve over the loss of millions of gypsies, jews, arabs, etc. - doesn't mean their lives were less valuable.

Also, consider the fact that if you had a dog you'd known for years, you'd feel worse if she died than some stranger in another land.

hitler agin?

holy mackeral

the thread was about an employee matter.

not about valluable animal souls.

why twist it into it?

so you can bring up hitler and how he would do the same as gramps and i?

see how flaked out that is?
everytime someone outdebates you (esily) you resort to these tacticks of trying to destroy the persons credibilty and you also very often directly bring up peeps like hitler and draw similaraties to the person you are attacking



and its not even about the reAL subject at hand

talking about the value of life as YGP was stating and how peoples opinions differ

im sure the family of the dead jews are gutted, but the germans didnt really give a shit

just the same as the family of the dead dog might be very upset, but you couldnt give a shit

hell, if my uncle died id be in tears, but i wouldnt expect you to raise an eye brow

[xeno]Julios wrote:

plained wrote:
hitler agin?

holy mackeral

the thread was about an employee matter.

not about valluable animal souls.

why twist it into it?

so you can bring up hitler and how he would do the same as gramps and i?

see how flaked out that is?

I'm utterly speechless...

are you really that incapable of following an argument?

go back and play with your dolls - we'll be leaving to the zoo in a few hours.

gramps must be hitler

jules said

YourGrandpa wrote:Which do you think would bother the general public more? 3000 people die in falling towers or 3000 homeless animals are put to sleep. And if you say anything other than the 3000 people dying, you're still an idiot IMHO. Sorry...

HAHA!

which lives do you think have more "value":
~3000 white American stock brokers getting killed in falling buildings
~1500 black American poor people getting killed by a hurricane
~100,000 iraqi civilians getting murdered by an invading army

[xeno]Julios wrote:

YourGrandpa wrote: Human life is and always will be more valuable than animal. This isn't something I need to prove. It's proven over and over in every day life. Which do you think would bother the general public more? 3000 people die in falling towers or 3000 homeless animals are put to sleep. And if you say anything other than the 3000 people dying, you're still an idiot IMHO. Sorry...

You can't take the general public's feelings as proof that human life is more valuable.

Hitler's regime didn't grieve over the loss of millions of gypsies, jews, arabs, etc. - doesn't mean their lives were less valuable.

Also, consider the fact that if you had a dog you'd known for years, you'd feel worse if she died than some stranger in another land.

Also consider the fact that when a chimp loses its mother, it probably feels worse than when it sees a human die.

It's obvious that everything is relative to specific situations. You could also whittle every statement down to its finer points and dissect it until you’re blue in the face. But the fact of the matter is, the general consensus would be humans over animals.

losCHUNK wrote:

plained wrote:

[xeno]Julios wrote: You can't take the general public's feelings as proof that human life is more valuable.

Hitler's regime didn't grieve over the loss of millions of gypsies, jews, arabs, etc. - doesn't mean their lives were less valuable.

Also, consider the fact that if you had a dog you'd known for years, you'd feel worse if she died than some stranger in another land.

hitler agin?

holy mackeral

the thread was about an employee matter.

not about valluable animal souls.

why twist it into it?

so you can bring up hitler and how he would do the same as gramps and i?

see how flaked out that is?
everytime someone outdebates you (esily) you resort to these tacticks of trying to destroy the persons credibilty and you also very often directly bring up peeps like hitler and draw similaraties to the person you are attacking



and its not even about the reAL subject at hand

talking about the value of life as YGP was stating and how peoples opinions differ

im sure the family of the dead jews are gutted, but the germans didnt really give a shit

just the same as the family of the dead dog might be very upset, but you couldnt give a shit

hell, if my uncle died id be in tears, but i wouldnt expect you to raise an eye brow

honestly if you were a stand up guy it would matter to me cuz if i'm down with you, what matters to you matters to me

Dr_Watson wrote:

YourGrandpa wrote:Which do you think would bother the general public more? 3000 people die in falling towers or 3000 homeless animals are put to sleep. And if you say anything other than the 3000 people dying, you're still an idiot IMHO. Sorry...

HAHA!

which lives do you think have more "value":
~3000 white American stock brokers getting killed in falling buildings
~1500 black American poor people getting killed by a hurricane
~100,000 iraqi civilians getting murdered by an invading army

Why are you trying to stear things off topic? To me, any one of their lives are worth more than an animals.