The Kennedy assassination

[andyman]

How's that job search going Andy?

really bad, i've been waiting for this position with lockheed martin to be posted. The position is open, but no one can apply until it's been posted and I have an inside referral so mine application will be one of if not THE first put in. I made first contact on may 22nd, and i'm still waiting for a call for an interview. so yeah... it sucks... corporate world loves to turn their back and shit on people.

[scared?]

lol jobs...

[Nightshade]

Right, i'm talking about when people can't hold still for a split second so they try to time when the sights will be on target when they are still moving. basically I'm saying that oswald would have been steadily tracking the target before he shot, the same way that skeet shooters do http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To6aXUD0GDU

I'm just trying to prove that penn and teller are not the final say when it comes to recreating the scene. All penn did was prove what he later says: "I've had no marine training". why would anyone believe their video...

I don't for a minute believe P&T are the final say, I just think that they make a couple of valid points. It's not proof of anything, other than the fact that Penn can pull the trigger & simulate reloading a Carcano three times very quickly.
There were windows open all over the place along the motorcade route, but for me the jury's still out on the entire issue of conspiracy.

[scared?]

lol of course it was a conspiracy...

[andyman]

Whether there was a second gunman or not, there is still the whole 'why' oswald shot him. While we're all debating the angle of the shots, the people behind the shooter remain free. It's the same thing today... how the buildings fell is not even important if you can establish a real 'why' everything happened.

[scared?]

btw good german 911 doc called 911 false flag is out...pretty obvious shit...

[andyman]

this one? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 8946293&hl

[scared?]

yeah thats it...

[Nightshade]

lol of course it was a conspiracy...

And your incontrovertible proof of this, proof that NO ONE has been able to obtain in over 40 years is...?

Nowhere, so shut the fuck up, you useless retard. If you put half as much effort into not being an idiot as you do into killing little virtual people in CoD4 you might be halfway tolerable.

[andyman]

lol of course it was a conspiracy...

And your incontrovertible proof of this, proof that NO ONE has been able to obtain in over 40 years is...?

Nowhere, so shut the fuck up, you useless retard. If you put half as much effort into not being an idiot as you do into killing little virtual people in CoD4 you might be halfway tolerable.

Do you expect this proof to be put on your doorstep in a nice little box with a red ribbon around it, like the government controlled media does? It looks like you still live in that bubble.

[Nightshade]

Of course not, and if you want to start slinging insults, we can do that.
What I expect as a standard of proof is more than unsubstantiated crackpot bullshit like geoof always puts forth. Honestly, do you not think that after FORTY years something concrete would have been discovered if it existed? The Kennedy assassination is THE MOST investigated subject in history, and what's come of all that on the conspiracy side of the argument? Uhh, looks like pretty much nothing to me...
But, I'm still looking. I simply find it hard to believe that a plot of such a MASSIVE scale could be kept secret for all these years. Come on, all the people that would have had to have been involved and NOT ONE of them has talked? No one's come forth with any sort of conclusive proof? The only way two people can keep a secret is if one of them's dead. Yet we're supposed to believe that hundreds and hundreds of people have kept quiet all these years?

[Dr_Watson]

What part of the building was the shooter standing... i'm assuming the center in this screenshot

From the center the third shot is ~230ft, from the far west it's ~202ft, and from the far east of the building it's ~260ft.

you're doing unnecessary work... just watch the documentary i posted on the last page.
Starting 7min in they have a guy on that spent 15 years doing a full-scale 3D recreation of the entire plaza. Then you can skip forward to 1:16 where they give the distances and shooting statistics. (3 shots in 8.3 sec @ 88 yd. btw)

Whether there was a second gunman or not, there is still the whole 'why' oswald shot him. While we're all debating the angle of the shots, the people behind the shooter remain free. It's the same thing today... how the buildings fell is not even important if you can establish a real 'why' everything happened.

yet again... watch the documentary i put on the previous page.
they spend about 45 min exploring that most important issue.
and guess what, even the mans brother thinks he did it.

[andyman]

Of course not, and if you want to start slinging insults, we can do that.
What I expect as a standard of proof is more than unsubstantiated crackpot bullshit like geoof always puts forth. Honestly, do you not think that after FORTY years something concrete would have been discovered if it existed? The Kennedy assassination is THE MOST investigated subject in history, and what's come of all that on the conspiracy side of the argument? Uhh, looks like pretty much nothing to me...
But, I'm still looking. I simply find it hard to believe that a plot of such a MASSIVE scale could be kept secret for all these years. Come on, all the people that would have had to have been involved and NOT ONE of them has talked? No one's come forth with any sort of conclusive proof? The only way two people can keep a secret is if one of them's dead. Yet we're supposed to believe that hundreds and hundreds of people have kept quiet all these years?

I understand why it's hard to believe, that's why it's so easy to dismiss a theory of mass cover up. This is a good documentary but I don't know if it's torrented or not. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0806100/
I think the most important part of it is the start, where they explain how history is written by the killers and the dead can't say a thing about it. I say the truth is like buried treasure, the only people who find it are the ones willing to spend their whole lives looking for it

but yeah... geoffray could post SOMETHING of significance, it's obvious you would be willing to at least look at it.

[andyman]

What part of the building was the shooter standing... i'm assuming the center in this screenshot

From the center the third shot is ~230ft, from the far west it's ~202ft, and from the far east of the building it's ~260ft.

you're doing unnecessary work... just watch the documentary i posted on the last page.
Starting 7min in they have a guy on that spent 15 years doing a full-scale 3D recreation of the entire plaza. Then you can skip forward to 1:16 where they give the distances and shooting statistics. (3 shots in 8.3 sec @ 88 yd. btw)

hehe.. yeah i've got all day to do unnecessary work
i missed the link...

[Punk22]

hey Sheep....the guy got hit by 2 bullets....fact.......

[andyman]

hey Sheep....the guy got hit by 2 bullets....fact.......

no shit sherlock.. did you know they were in a car?

roflalt

[Nightshade]

I understand why it's hard to believe, that's why it's so easy to dismiss a theory of mass cover up. This is a good documentary but I don't know if it's torrented or not. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0806100/
I think the most important part of it is the start, where they explain how history is written by the killers and the dead can't say a thing about it. I say the truth is like buried treasure, the only people who find it are the ones willing to spend their whole lives looking for it

but yeah... geoffray could post SOMETHING of significance, it's obvious you would be willing to at least look at it.

I think what makes the mass coverup so easy to dismiss, for me anyways, is how unlikely it is.
And sure, proof is like buried treasure. But to my point, people HAVE spent their entire lives looking for it...

[andyman]

A quick read of operation northwoods should show how far the government will go for a cover up

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/

[Nightshade]

I'm somewhat familiar with Northwoods, but there's a HUGE difference between a plan and actually pulling off a huge coverup. How many people do you guess would have to have been involved in the JFK coverup?

[andyman]

I'm somewhat familiar with Northwoods, but there's a HUGE difference between a plan and actually pulling off a huge coverup. How many people do you guess would have to have been involved in the JFK coverup?

quite a lot, but that doesn't mean everyone involved knew that the whole purpose of what they were doing was to kill kennedy, people are only told what they need to know to get them to do what is needed of them to do.

[Nightshade]

So, that's a lot of people to keep quiet for 40 some years. Plus, even if the purpose was compartmentalized, once the assassination happened, don't you think they'd figure it out?

[andyman]

Possibly, but then the example is set with oswalds shooting. The same with Kennedy and Lincoln... presidents nowadays know to never tamper with the central banks control, bad things happen to your headbone.

[GONNAFISTYA]

The easiest lie to never have to account for is a huge, mutherfucking impossible lie that nobody would believe was possible. The more unlikely the lie, the easier it is to cover up.

A lie so huge, so soul-crushing to even think about is a lie that is easy to keep alive for a long time...until it's "established history" and nobody questions it anymore.

[GONNAFISTYA]

So, that's a lot of people to keep quiet for 40 some years. Plus, even if the purpose was compartmentalized, once the assassination happened, don't you think they'd figure it out?

Look how long it took for people to pay attention enough to know they were wrong about Bush. Much of people's perceptions and understandings come from their own preconceptions of the way things are and it's next to impossible to get them to look at truth, let alone acknowledge it. Alot of people simply dismiss the possibility of a conspiracy and leave it at that.

As to compartmentalization still not stopping people from figuring it out...alot of terrorists don't know who among their peers actually commits terrorist acts. Alot of groups will claim responsibility but in a large number of terrorism acts nobody really knows who's responsible. I guess it also shows just how many terrorist organizations there are out there.

A person (or group of persons) knowing some of the information but not the whole picture is easy to dismiss when it comes to credibilty in a court of law....which is somewhere JFK's assassination would never reach. If someone refuses to connect the dots, then those people will be ignored and forgotten.

[andyman]

The easiest lie to never have to account for is a huge, mutherfucking impossible lie that nobody would believe was possible. The more unlikely the lie, the easier it is to cover up.

A lie so huge, so soul-crushing to even think about is a lie that is easy to keep alive for a long time...until it's "established history" and nobody questions it anymore.

like religion