No threads about the genocide in Palestine?

[scared?]

lol cease fire...it was all planned months ago to stop right before obama came in...

[R00k]

In Gaza, people loaded vans and donkey carts with mattresses and began venturing back to their homes to see what was left standing after the punishing air and ground assault the tiny seaside territory endured. Bulldozers began shoving aside rubble in Gaza City, the territory's biggest population center, to clear a path for cars while medical workers sifting through mounds of concrete said they discovered 75 bodies. discovered dozens of bodies in the debris.

The Israeli cease-fire went into effect at 2 a.m. Sunday local time after three weeks of fighting that killed some 1,200 Palestinians, about half of them civilians, according to Palestinian and United Nations officials. At least 13 Israelis also died, according to the government.

An official who attended the Israeli Cabinet meeting quoted internal security service chief Yuval Diskin as telling ministers that "the operation is not over."

"The next few days will make clear if we are heading toward a cease-fire or the renewal of fighting," security chief Yuval Diskin was quoted as saying. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because Cabinet meetings are closed.

[...]

Outgoing Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said the Bush administration welcomed Israel's decision and a summit set for later Sunday in Egypt is meant to give international backing to the truce.

Leaders of Germany, France, Spain, Britain, Italy, Turkey and the Czech Republic _ which holds the rotating European Union presidency _ are expected to attend along with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and U.N. chief Ban Ki-moon.

Ban welcomed the cease-fire. "Urgent humanitarian access for the people of Gaza is the immediate priority," he said, declaring that "the United Nations is ready to act."

Israel said it was not sending a representative to the meeting.

[LawL]

lol @ Geoff trying to be noticed in this thread.

[scared?]

lol @ me

[LawL]

lol @ me

[Massive Quasars]

BBC: Israel disqualifies Arab [political] parties

Israel's election authorities have voted to ban two of the three main Arab political parties from running in next month's general elections.

The Central Election Committee (CEC)voted overwhelmingly to ban the United Arab List-Ta'al (UAL-Ta'al) and Balad, accusing them of supporting terrorism.

[Tsakali]

much more efficient than a recount

[fKd]

while I fully admit and feel no shame admitting it, I fully support Israel

wow really? hmmm that saddens me that someone who has, as it seems looked into the facts, and knows that 14 israeli people have been killed by rockets in the last year versus 1300 palestinians killed in the last 23 days alone... do you really think this is right? i liked the story of the soldier shooting the women who was trying to stop dogs eating her dead child, or the fact they are using illegal weapons, or shooting rock throwing kids with a tanks.. etc etc etc.. its just such a list of tragic, insane ways to deal with a bunch of beaten down poor people. if you beat a dog into a corner is it not fair for the dog to bite? what other course of action does it have? let itself get beaten?
why do you think they are not allowing medical or humanitarian aid into the gaza?... for the last 6-8 months? because they are trying to starve and kill these people. and then theres the fact they will not allow journalists to travel into gaza. why?... because they are breaking international law and perpetrating war crimes. if the world could see the pictures of whats happening inside gaza maybe there would be a little more of a ruckus.. words just dont seem to carry enough ammunition for some reason...

you just cant be serious. if your not a jew or isreali then why do you support this kind of military action? i guess at the end of the day you are free to think as you wish. but as a human being, surely you feel this is a little over the top, and its not like this is new, israel have been doing evil shit like this for how long... how many massacres have there occured, to many.
i feel like the international community has really dropped the ball in allowing these maniacs to continue the crusade against the natives of the region. THIS IS GENOCIDE! they were given land after ww2, then they just started stealing it, and they wonder why the palestinians are angry... where was the international community? nowhere to be seen.

god i hate humanity.. im a sad panda

[LawL]

emo alert

[fKd]

better grow a fringe quick.. wheres my black clothing... sheet

[scared?]

if your not a jew or isreali then why do you support this kind of military action?

becuz he's a moron troll...

[vesp]

Sigh. both Israel and Palestine are twats.
Israel - stupid foreign policies over the last 60years, make your fucking minds up. Also stomping all over 'the underdog' doesn't exactly endear you to the international community.

Palestine - Why the fuck can't hamas stop firing shitty little rockets into Israel. Yeah ok, there may have been few fatalities, but the fact remains that you were firing FUCKIN ROCKETS into Israel... (and if you believe that they have never fired rockets over the border and it's all just 'media lies', then I marvel ar your scepticism)
And palestine doesn't recognise the israeli state and would generally be quite pleased if they were all just exterminated... gg on that policy, idiots.

Fuck them. Seriously. If you continually piss off a country with more military might then it's pretty fucking obvious what's going to happen. deal with it.

[R00k]

getting harder to deny that Israel is using phosphorous

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... ece?sub=wp

[mjrpes]

Sigh. both Israel and Palestine are twats.
And palestine doesn't recognise the israeli state and would generally be quite pleased if they were all just exterminated... gg on that policy, idiots.

whoa there. hamas would be ready to recognize israel if some conditions were met:

http://www.voanews.com/bangla/archive/2 ... 6-voa4.cfm

there is no dispute, in the international community, that it is illegal for israel to occupy the west bank and gaza, territories they took control after the 1967 war. so palestinians are fighting for territory that is rightfully theirs; the only people who disagree with this are israel and america. no other country is the world disagrees with this.

granted, i believe hamas and fatah would be much more effective if they used some form of non-violent resistance to achieve their ends... this would unite public opinion (especially in the U.S.) against israel much more than it has now. can you imagine if 10,000s of palestinians where to take up picks at the same time and non-violently attempt to take down the walls that israel has put up in the west bank, walls that are illegal? certainly, israel would shoot and kill some of them. but then as people saw images of israel shooting palestinians who were non-violently just trying to take down walls on land that is rightfully theirs, it would isolate israel even more. it would also remove fear in the israeli populous that arabs are out for their death, and this would swing opinion of palestinians higher.

lol pipe dream

[R00k]

if your not a jew or isreali then why do you support this kind of military action?

becuz he's a moron troll...

Nah, he's just answering his calling.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... stry-media

[vesp]

hamas and fatah would be much more effective if they used some form of non-violent resistance to achieve their ends... this would unite public opinion (especially in the U.S.) against israel much more than it has now.

Agree with this completely. I just don't see how they (the palestinians) can possible think that the random firing of shitty rockets over their borders will do ANYTHING other than piss people off (Israelis obviously, but also people in other countries who can see that it's just a dumb fuckin idea)...
for example... there was a massive demonstration march a few weeks ago here, and they were shouting 'free palestine' etc, and all I wanted to do was shout at them to stop firing fucking rockets then.
stupid, stupid, stupid.

I'm not pro-war at all, but I'm certainly not pro-stupid-twats either.

[megami]

even if israel handed over its remaining captured territories, the two sides would still be fighting over jerusalem

and even if israel met all of hamas' conditions for recognition, i doubt they would actually do so (though there's always a chance) because much of the organization's power and support comes from its aggressive anti-israel stance

i don't have much love for either side's government, but i *do* feel bad for the 90% of those countries' populations who are just trying to make a decent life for themselves. they are the ones who are suffering, not the bigshots who made the situation.

[scared?]

how about israel get the fuck out of the place? they never shoulda got that land...they used the holocaust and world guilt to exploit and take it...and the only reason our govt gave it to them cuz we wanted a puppet close to the oil.

how about the jews go live in montana or something?

[GONNAFISTYA]

There's no way in hell that non-violent disobedience would work against Israel. The truth is/was/always-will-be smothered in propaganda....and fools will never know what's really happening.

I agree that there's not alot you can do about an ancient blood-feud (which will continue for the next few thousand years) but - more than anything - I'm sick of the non-stop blatant lies. Call a spade a spade...because without it you'll never have progress and Israel will have no reason to stop their brutal ways.

[mjrpes]

There's no way in hell that non-violent disobedience would work against Israel. The truth is/was/always-will-be smothered in propaganda....and fools will never know what's really happening.

i'd be more optimistic. take away the one thing that israel can propagandize about (violence against them), and you are left with only the violence they do to others. they will continue to do it, but it will become more and more clear to the world (importantly, America) that they are not doing it out of "defense" anymore. even if israel does not change its practices, the rest of the world will boycott it until it does.

but it wouldn't work unless the palestinians were very clear and persistent in their aims: having self government free of israel settlements at the 1967 borders.

[GONNAFISTYA]

ffs....it's already clear to the world that they are not doing it out of "defense" anymore. You're missing the point that nothing will change in how people perceive the conflict whether one side is violent or not...because the lies and brutality will continue...because they can and will get away with it.

"Take away the thing Israel can propagandize about"...are you serious? That will do exactly nothing because they'll propagandize about it all they want and America will parrot it.

How do I know this? Because people still believe America was attacked in the Gulf of Tonkin and thought the biggest mistake on a war based on lies (sound familiar) was that they quit and retreated. It matters not that the Tonkin incident never even happened...but that they withdrew from the war. And people still think Saddam had WMDs.

"take away the one thing that israel can propagandize about" ....lol

What reality are you living in?

[mjrpes]

americans base 99% of their judgment of the conflict on images they see on tv. there is no reason or research involved; just blind emotion. change the images and american opinion will change.

americans associate palestinians with terrorists, because whenever they show palestinians on tv they are wearing masks and vowing the death of israel (when they are not being slaughtered by the israelis).

you can't be serious that if every palestinian were to suddenly give up violence and instead non-violently resist israel's occupation of their land, americans wouldn't care. of course they would care. images of the strong blindly killing the defenseless would resonant sharply with us (and the rest of the world). it would take time, and it would require persistence and no retribution on the part of hamas or fatah. but over time it would make absurd any attempt to twist the situation around; americans would soon see that the palestinians are not terrorists (because there is no violence on their part).

it doesn't matter anyway. there's no chance of this happening. the culture in the mid-east doesn't work this way.

[GONNAFISTYA]

FFS...you're talking in circles and missing everything. WTF?

Just in case you had no idea...the fucking rockets into Israel were retaliation. Israel started this. Where's the fucking outcry against Israel from Obama, et all when Palestine wasn't violent and was attacked anyways?

You won't see it because this conflict will always be painted as "Israel defending itself" when they are the aggressors. It'll always be as such and America will always give them legitimacy in their atrocities by vetoing every fucking thing that goes against Israel...just as they have throughout history.

FFS...it's like talking to a wall.

[LawL]

how about israel get the fuck out of the place? they never shoulda got that land...they used the holocaust and world guilt to exploit and take it...and the only reason our govt gave it to them cuz we wanted a puppet close to the oil.

how about the jews go live in montana or something?

Noone cares about what you've got to say.

[scared?]

aww lawl is so upset he can't contain himself anymore...

i actually feel sorry for the moron...