Ha I love it

[saturn]

Was it funny? Maybe not completely (although for people in this forum to take the moral high road about the appropriateness of things that are laughed at is pretty astonishing...).

And yea, it's only use folks in the USA that seem to be insensitive to violence on these forums. The threads from all other parts of the world are always so much more appropriate and considerate of the feelings of all parties involved. We are just hardened like that.

oh, so when I'm amazed by the attitude of replies of some people I'm taking the moral high road? I'm glad that I'm still sensitive for cop-related violence, I'm glad that I don't live in South-Africa or Colombia where the cops also have to take extreme cautions and measures in their daily routines.

Now I have to read the rest of this thread before posting more comments.

hey, don't forget the pictures.

Yeah man, it's a candyweed land here. We all love and respect eachother. Occasionally someone's been assasinated for their beliefs and opinions, but hey, with 200 murders per year total, you can't complain.

*does the clogdance on a gay marriage while smoking a blunt*

[saturn]

I was reading the replies with amazed feelings.

LOL, DUMB FAT BITCH GOT WHAT SHE DESERVED, SHOULDN'T HAVE LISTENED AND PUT THAT PHONE DOWN. LOL, SHE JIGGLED AND MOANED. ETC.

You guys are used to so much violence that if your cops use excessive force it's funny to you.

I'm really glad that I don't live in the United States of America. Christ, I'm actually getting worked up by this.

Actually glad you don't either with that type of thinking.

If she can't respect authority enough to get out of the damn car when she's ordered to by a cop, she deserves it. If you don't have respect for authority of some type, then you have a break down in society. Pretty simple task to understand. Look at our inner city's as examples.

Now I'm not saying she should of been Rodney King'd but tasing her was a simple solution to extracting her from the car without risking injury to the cops. Cops can get hurt by women too and if it were me in that situation, I'm choosing she takes the force, not me.

Put on a badge, walk the streets sometimes where you deal with weirdos, freaks or people who flip on a moment, then you can talk.

Why do you have so many weirdos, freaks, one-moment-flippers?
Why do you have to reside so often to violence? (not only cops)

Would cops use different tactics if it wasn't allowed for everyone to carry guns?

[Geebs]

I had a bloke in A&E the other night alleging police brutality - said that the cops had stopped him and hit him on the head with a gun. He got quite annoyed when I poitned out to him that beat cops in the UK don't carry firearms....

GKY's right, violent situations are generally best dealt with by learning to manifest authority.... and if that doesn't work, getting the fuck out of there.

[o'dium]

GTA3 "A country without guns just isn't America"

[saturn]

I clearly don't understand how someone could take the side of this lady, clearly in the wrong, over the cop who gave her ample opportunities to obey his commands but she chose to escalate the situation.

because they don't live in a city bigger than your backyard.

I live in Rotterdam, 2nd biggest city of Holland (after Amsterdam) with 700,000 people. Not huge or big by other country standards, but it was recently pronounced "most unsafe place" in Holland. Mostly cause of the high rate of car-theft and street-related violence (for Dutch standards). We have our share of drugusers and criminal youth. But I guess if you would spend a few months here you would think of Rotterdam as a quiet suburb of Phoenix.

The best thing about the cops here is that they're too busy to pull you over when you're riding your bicycle without lights during the night. :icon31:

[iambowelfish]

I'm just saying not every cop has to deal with em.

As an example, you tell me that this cop, investigating a possible disabled vehicle, didn't have to deal with tough situations because he patrolled hick-town, no-where Oklahoma roads.

http://www.odmp.org/officer.php?oid=17073

You NEVER know when you'll come up against a bad situation. I merely did an internet search and found a random killing.

If a killing is really random then there's nothing to be done short of tasering everyone in a 1 mile radius. Tasers are not gonna stop random killings.

It seems however, that in the case you mentioned there were warning signs.

During the stop, Trooper Green discovered a suspect had been cooking Methamphetamine.

With this chatty woman there were no such signs, so I think it would have been better to try to physically get her out of the car, or take her phone from her, bearing in mind that there were two officers.

As I understand it, tasering is very painful, probably at least as bad as a similarly incapacitative beating, and although it may not normally do permanent physical damage, it does carry risks.

[MKJ]

i think every cop should get tazered during their stay at the academy so they know what i feels like before using it to "protect society"

[Dave]

oh, so when I'm amazed by the attitude of replies of some people I'm taking the moral high road? I'm glad that I'm still sensitive for cop-related violence, I'm glad that I don't live in South-Africa or Colombia where the cops also have to take extreme cautions and measures in their daily routines.

Now I have to read the rest of this thread before posting more comments.

hey, don't forget the pictures.

Yeah man, it's a candyweed land here. We all love and respect eachother. Occasionally someone's been assasinated for their beliefs and opinions, but hey, with 200 murders per year total, you can't complain.

*does the clogdance on a gay marriage while smoking a blunt*

here's a funny graph:

http://www.nationmaster.com/red/graph-T ... _cap&int=9

Per capita crime in the Netherlands and the United States is roughly the same.

Another interesting graph:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_tot_cri&int=-1

NL is pretty far down the list until you figure that the US population is almost 18 times that of your country. So multiply it out and you get:

us population: 290,342,554, total crime: 23,677,800
nl population: 16,150,511, total crime: 1,305,638, total normalized with the US: 23,471,843.8

us/nl: 17.9772983

NL stats are 2000 and US stats from 1999, but that's as good as I can do without really digging

[MKJ]

what does that number mean though? 23,677,800 crimes a year? or what?
cuase since they made a graph n all, mebbe they already normalized it?

also, does that include stuff like shoplifting or heavy crimes?

[Dave]

it's raw stats and crime is crime.. there are varying degrees of crime, but it's still a harmful act against another

[YourGrandpa]

With this chatty woman there were no such signs, so I think it would have been better to try to physically get her out of the car, or take her phone from her, bearing in mind that there were two officers.

As I understand it, tasering is very painful, probably at least as bad as a similarly incapacitative beating, and although it may not normally do permanent physical damage, it does carry risks.

Hey dipshit, scroll up and watch the video, the entire video. The first officer tried to remove her from the car and she jerked away leaning further into the car. At that point the second officer tried to take the cell phone and she took a swing at him. They tried to handle her once and that's one more time than they should've had to. Officers aren't paid to put themselves in harms way, that just happens to be an unfortunate aspect of the job.

I've been tasered (just to see what is was like) and it is incapacitating, but that's about it. There are no residual affect from being tazered, that stupid cunt was being very dramatic. As I said before, a tazer wouldn't harm a person with a pacemaker and I much rather be hit with that over pepper spray any day.

You should really try reading and paying attention a bit more before you type uninformed shit on the internet and claim it as your opinion..

[YourGrandpa]

i think every cop should get tazered during their stay at the academy so they know what i feels like before using it to "protect society"

Hey genius, they do get tazered during their training with the tazer gun. As a matter of fact, they get tazered several times, several different ways. Just like they get pepper sprayed durring pepper spray training. So don't feel like they don't know what it's like, because they most certainly do.

[Eraser]

he then tells her 4 times to get out of the car or he will tazer her, she still refuses.

Would you have believed a cop if he told you he'd tazer you for not putting down a phone? I wouldn't have taken that seriously either.

I feel that the officer had no right to use any kind of force. Yes, it's unacceptably rude of the lady to keep talking on the phone, but it's not a reason to get tazered. She didn't pose a threat to the officer, she didn't need to be "neutralized". The officer could've fined her for being disrespectful towards an officer on duty or trying to delay an arrest.

Don't get me wrong, I do feel the lady deserves punishment for her unacceptable behaviour, but that punishment should NOT come in the form of physical harm. IMO physical harm is only acceptable when there are no other options and the officers or other people are put into danger by the behaviour or actions of the person in question.

I cannot believe my eyes when I read that people actually find this sort of action by a police officer acceptable.

[Ryoki]

your guys' country is fucked up.

Yeah...

[losCHUNK]

:icon19:

imo the bitch had plenty of warning, if she wants to be arrogant with a copper the next time maybe shell think twice

[Nightshade]

I think that the cop most definitely over-reacted. Yes, she was refusing to comply, but he and his partner should have just manhandled her out of the vehicle and cuffed her. Pepper spray at the most if she resisted.
I still find it funny that she got zapped, because it's always funny when painful things happen to idiots.

The trouble here is not a nation-wide cultural paranoia IMO, it's the fact that many people that become cops don't have the right demeanor to be cops.

[MKJ]

i think every cop should get tazered during their stay at the academy so they know what i feels like before using it to "protect society"

Hey genius, they do get tazered during their training with the tazer gun. As a matter of fact, they get tazered several times, several different ways. Just like they get pepper sprayed durring pepper spray training. So don't feel like they don't know what it's like, because they most certainly do.

hey "genius". great! :icon14:
[cue star spangled banner]

[Nightshade]

he then tells her 4 times to get out of the car or he will tazer her, she still refuses.

Would you have believed a cop if he told you he'd tazer you for not putting down a phone? I wouldn't have taken that seriously either.

If I was black, you're damn skippy I'd take him seriously.

[busetibi]

he then tells her 4 times to get out of the car or he will tazer her, she still refuses.

Would you have believed a cop if he told you he'd tazer you for not putting down a phone? I wouldn't have taken that seriously either.
it wasnt just about the phone,he told her to get out of the car,if a cop said to me, get out of the car or ill tazer you,then hell yer, i would get out of the car

I feel that the officer had no right to use any kind of force. Yes, it's unacceptably rude of the lady to keep talking on the phone, but it's not a reason to get tazered. She didn't pose a threat to the officer, she didn't need to be "neutralized". The officer could've fined her for being disrespectful towards an officer on duty or trying to delay an arrest.

Don't get me wrong, I do feel the lady deserves punishment for her unacceptable behaviour, but that punishment should NOT come in the form of physical harm. IMO physical harm is only acceptable when there are no other options and the officers or other people are put into danger by the behaviour or actions of the person in question.

I cannot believe my eyes when I read that people actually find this sort of action by a police officer acceptable.

it wasnt just about the phone,he told her to get out of the car,if a cop said to me, get out of the car or ill tazer you,then hell yer, i would get out of the car.
he gave her a directive,
he gave her plenty of chances, she CHOSE to ignore him.
why are you defending her?
she was in the wrong. period
we had a case here in oz a few years ago,a guy was on a beach,he was surrounded by police,he wouldnt put a knife down,so ,they shot him dead.
thats what i would class as over reacting,

[losCHUNK]

she was even saying on the phone "im being arrested"

so it aint like the bitch wasnt taking him seriously

she knew what was going on and what could happen but she just pushed it, if i was the cop i prolly wouldnt of gone as far as tazering her but thats prolly because hes more of a cunt than me :/

[Eraser]

why are you defending her?
she was in the wrong. period

She was in the wrong, and I'm not defending her actions. I just feel that the "punishment" was far too harsh.

[busetibi]

how else could he have got her out of the car?
as i said before,it seems he tried to remove her from the car, but she screamed " get off me, dont touch me"
bottom line,
you dont fuck with them

edit: typo

[Giraffe }{unter]

I've mentioned before in a previous thread how I question the mentality of someone who - in a job where he's supposed to protect everyone - thinks everyone is out to kill him....when in 99.9999999% of the cases this isn't true.

If I have 100 guns, only one of them has one bullet. Every morning you would let me aim one at random at your face and pull the trigger. I bet you would get a little edgy on the first day. Then your statement above says YOU would be over reacting...

[MKJ]

so a cop gets a gun aimed at his face every single day?
mebbe time to do something about all those guns

[Eraser]

so a cop gets a gun aimed at his face every single day?
mebbe time to do something about all those guns

<insert generic "guns don't kill people, people do" comment here>