Why don't Europeans play American Football?

[[FTF]Pyro]

i wasn't trying to make a point about race. I was just pointing out to nightshade that although a white guy is number one this year, things are changing in terms of the QB position, thats all.

If I wanted to make a point about race, maybe I would tell you how I experience racism everyday since I am in an interracial relationship or maybe I would point out that Chis Rock's line from Dogma you keep quoting, was written by a white guy named Kevin Smith

Good, so at least you arent a moron then, just need to convince the other


287,934,493 - you, me and Nightshade = 287,934,490 people to go

[werldhed]

I think he is being racist. He keeps making sweeping generalizations about whites.

I am white, you moron. Its like a black guy calling another black guy a nig(finish it yourself) :icon27: hardly racist is it?

Yes, it is racist, and thank you for resorting to name calling. Racism is believing that one race is better or worse than another or deserves less than another race. It doesn't matter if you are white and say white people are scum. It still makes you racist. The term nigger is like any other word -- it only has the conotations that are meant to go with it.

And sweeping generalisations can be applied to the atrocities of the past that are set in stone and actually happened.

They can also be applied to a mass populas where generalisations have to apply (its why its called a generalisation)

We aren't talking about atrocities of history, we're talking about whether the ratio of blacks and whites in today's sports is based on racism. Are you going to tell me next that the reason there are few black qbs is because white people killed Indians hundreds of years ago?

IE every white person I have met has been nice, but the white race as a whole are terrible war mongering people.


Every english person I ahve met has been generally nice but as a whole the English arent nice people they colonised 1/4 of the planet for their own gain.

Every American person I have met has ben generally nice but on the whole Americans arent a nice people. They slaughtered an entire Race of people (Native Americans) and Proceeded with the Slave Trade.

I hardly know where even begin to call you out on this. On the whole the white race is a terrible warmongering people? Do you have statistics to back that shit up? If that's not racism, then what is? I can also say blacks as a whole are a tribal, primitive, warring people. And that asians are androcentric. What would you say to that?

Bottom line

People are people, but if you think that your race, creed, color, gender, or nation hasnt had blood on its hands at some point then how can you sit there and view ANYTHING objectively since you are not learning from the past.

So you ARE basing your view on a race by how bad their ancestors are? I don't know of ONE SINGLE person on earth today that is in any way, shape, or form, responsible for those atrocities you mentioned, and I have no justification in judging them based on that. Neither do you.

Football needs to start accepting that blacks can throw a ball and make decisions just as fast, smart and correctly as any other PERSON, but until AMERICA starts seeing people as people and not as social demographics ("ethnic minority" - funny I thought british was british and american was american not Pakistani American or African American, also you dont hear European American very often do you? You just hear American) then nothing will ever change. But as I said before,

Why should I care, I am wealthy, I am white and I am male, top of the food chain. If nothing changes it doesnt matter to me.

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Own advice, practice what you preach, and so on...

[Maiden]

ill see your girly pic and raise you one shitty video....


http://www.metacafe.com/watch/30578/nfls_greatest_hits/

[[FTF]Pyro]

It doesn't matter if you are white and say white people are scum. It still makes you racist. The term ***** is like any other word -- it only has the conotations that are meant to go with it.

I hate everyone equally

Explain how I am racist

\ Are you going to tell me next that the reason there are few black qbs is because white people killed Indians hundreds of years ago?

Yes, nothing has changed white people are still superior than others, we feel more, we tolerate more, we show the world how its done :icon27: :icon27:

I hardly know where even begin to call you out on this. On the whole the white race is a terrible warmongering people? Do you have statistics to back that shit up? If that's not racism, then what is? I can also say blacks as a whole are a tribal, primitive, warring people. And that asians are androcentric. What would you say to that?

Have you never heard of the saying Divide and Conquer

World war 2 = About 50 million people died as a result of the war.

World War 1 = 15 000 000

Vietnam = 100,000 on the "allie side alone"

American Civil War = 700000

America Revolutionary War = 130658


# M. Cherif Bassouni, from an unspecified "1996" source which I have been unable to track down (Cited in an article in the Chicago Tribune, 25 Oct. 1998)

* 33 million "military casualties" (That's how the article phrased it, but I presume they mean military deaths.)

* 170 million killed in "conflicts of a non-international charater, internal conflicts and tyrannical regime victimization")

o 86M since the Second World War

* TOTAL: 203,000,000



# Zbigniew Brzezinski, Out of Control: Global Turmoil on the Eve of the Twenty-first Century (1993)

* "Lives deliberately extinguished by politically motivated carnage":
o 167,000,000 to 175,000,000

o Including:
+ War Dead: 87,500,000

# Military war dead:
* 33,500,000

# Civilian war dead:
* 54,000,000

+ Not-war Dead: 80,000,000

# Communist oppression:
* 60,000,000

All of the above and this is only a quick reference to the material I got from my old High School books and Google have attributed around 400,000,000 deaths due to wars created or caused by White Capitalist/Communist Nations. We arent talking about wars that other countries have started only Western Europe/Russia and North America within the last 150 to 200 years. Show me another race of people that have contributed to to an extermination on that kind of scale

Own advice, practice what you preach, and so on...

Bottom line

People are people, but if you think that your race, creed, color, gender, or nation hasnt had blood on its hands at some point then how can you sit there and view ANYTHING objectively since you are not learning from the past.

Are you serious?

[Chupacabra]

I don't think that professional sports are really the place to make an argument that there aren't enough minority players.


Absolutely not,

I forgot about the other quarterbacks, but then again, they aren't franchise players. I'd also hazard a guess that the majority of NFL rookie and college QBs are white. Who's the next superstar QB? Matt Linehart from USC, a white guy.

Like you say, your big, allsinging all dancing, brightest star in the sky quarter back will ALWAYS be white. Reason - White people lead the minorties to victory.

so the biggest QB in college right now is white, so what? vince young, randall, troy smith are all up there as well and getting hella hype. why ignore that?

oh and pyro...youre wrong, as I've said before Michael Vick is the "brightest star" qb in the nfl right now. if you disagree, you havent been watching football in the last few years.

[[FTF]Pyro]

oh and pyro...youre wrong, as I've said before Michael Vick is the "brightest star" qb in the nfl right now. if you disagree, you havent been watching football in the last few years.

Meh, Ive been wrong before. Fun to discuss though init

[werldhed]

You addressed nothing; although I will give you credit for finding statistics. However, that wasn't my point. My point was that you are using the term "as a whole." I guess I wasn't aware that the entire white race "as a whole" was responsible for those deaths. Those stats don't prove that.

And I have already shown how you are racist. You are judging a race of people based on the color of their skin. Do you want me to draw you a picture?

[[FTF]Pyro]

I hardly know where even begin to call you out on this. On the whole the white race is a terrible warmongering people? Do you have statistics to back that shit up?

You addressed nothing; although I will give you credit for finding statistics. However, that wasn't my point.

Okay........ Explain what your point was again

And I have already shown how you are racist. You are judging a race of people based on the color of their skin. Do you want me to draw you a picture?

I dont think I can put this more bluntly.

I hate everyone equally

I am not judging white people on the color of their skin but by the actions that they take, get a grip smell the coffee, wake up and read some more.

[[FTF]Pyro]

Fun to discuss though init

[losCHUNK]

arguing about racisim is racism !

[werldhed]

That statistics bit I mentioned was more of tongue in cheek sarcasm. Sort of a "how do you prove that white people as a whole are evil?"
I know there have been a lot of wars over the years, but those rarely have anything to do with the population in general.

It just bothers me when people seem to apply racism in the context of whites against everyone else. Generalizing whites, blacks, asians, etc is stereotyping no matter whom it is against. Even Oprah is racist.

But let me make this clear: I agree with you. Racism is rampant in the world, in every society, and it makes me sick. I'm not ignorant about it. I just thought your quote about the "all singing, all dancing" white qb came off as slightly hypocritical in your rant about racism. You'll notice I never disagreed on your other points. :icon26:

[Nightshade]

He's not being racist, he's making a statement about the current state of affairs.
Although I must say, I think a lot of racism is media hype.

media hype = the morons that listen to it believing it......


After all if you cant trust FOX who can you trust.

What I'm getting at is the fact that it's perfectly acceptable these days to trash whitey. That every time anything happens to a black person in the US, MANY people instantly scream racism. Etc., etc.