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YourGrandpa wrote:

Dr_Watson wrote:

YourGrandpa wrote:Which do you think would bother the general public more? 3000 people die in falling towers or 3000 homeless animals are put to sleep. And if you say anything other than the 3000 people dying, you're still an idiot IMHO. Sorry...

HAHA!

which lives do you think have more "value":
~3000 white American stock brokers getting killed in falling buildings
~1500 black American poor people getting killed by a hurricane
~100,000 iraqi civilians getting murdered by an invading army

Why are you trying to stear things off topic? To me, any one of their lives are worth more than an animals.

just because you specifically jumped to 9-11 like some flag waving sheeple. and that the "homeless animals" comment added to the fire.

but nice dodge.

I'll tell you what i really think now.

Your problem is pride.
You don't do anything truely important, instead you live a normal mundane meaningless existance. So you feel the need to qualify your place on the planet by being excessivly proud of your occupation.
You don't like the idea of someone taking off work for a dead animal because in your mind that would deflate the value of your job. Somone thinking that roadkill is more valuable than chasing a dollar at the office, means that they don't think your company is doing anything meaningful. If they did think they were working for a company that was actually doing something to help humanity, they would certainly come in.

which do you find more valuable tho ?

im guessing A and B

where if you got to iraq in sure they would choose C in a heartbeat and be thankful that A and B happened

just the same as a person might feel a pet is more important that 1 day of there work, why ? because it was integral part of the family

won't someone think of the children?

uh that is to say, maybe this person has children and or a spouse who has been deeply affected is partially staying home to help them cope.

Dr_Watson wrote:just because you specifically jumped to 9-11 like some flag waving sheeple. and that the "homeless animals" comment added to the fire.

but nice dodge.

I'll tell you what i really think now.

Your problem is pride.
You don't do anything truely important, instead you live a normal mundane meaningless existance. So you feel the need to qualify your place on the planet by being excessivly proud of your occupation.
You don't like the idea of someone taking off work for a dead animal because in your mind that would deflate the value of your job. Somone thinking that roadkill is more valuable than chasing a dollar at the office, means that they don't think your company is doing anything meaningful. If they did think they were working for a company that was actually doing something to help humanity, they would certainly come in.

plained wrote: gramps must be hitler

jules said

you do realize that you're the only one here who took that as julios' meaning right? any guesses why?

well whenever he is on the rocks and upset

he pulls out the hitler compares

sinse its a usual thing he has done i can only believe he believes its a legit way to manipulate opinion about the people he is in his mind "fighting" olo

plained wrote:well whenever he is on the rocks and upset

he pulls out the hitler compares

sinse its a usual thing he has done i can only believe he believes its a legit way to manipulate opinion about the people he is in his mind "fighting" olo

how is that different than trying to fly a plane into the argument?

YourGrandpa wrote: It's obvious that everything is relative to specific situations. You could also whittle every statement down to its finer points and dissect it until you’re blue in the face. But the fact of the matter is, the general consensus would be humans over animals.

Even if we agree that the life of the human animal is in some way more valuable than the life of another species, we both understand that some people form extremely close bonds with their non-human companions.

Not all of us, but some of us.

Bonds which are so strong that the loss of the companion means emotional distress comparable to the loss of a human friend.

In some cases, this may be the result of an unhealthy obsessiveness and attachment, similar to the attachment some humans have to their motor vehicles.

But in some cases, this loss stems from a completely genuine and healthy relationship they had.

All I'm asking is that these cases be acknowledged.

Dr_Watson wrote:

YourGrandpa wrote:

Dr_Watson wrote: HAHA!

which lives do you think have more "value":
~3000 white American stock brokers getting killed in falling buildings
~1500 black American poor people getting killed by a hurricane
~100,000 iraqi civilians getting murdered by an invading army

Why are you trying to stear things off topic? To me, any one of their lives are worth more than an animals.

just because you specifically jumped to 9-11 like some flag waving sheeple. and that the "homeless animals" comment added to the fire.

but nice dodge.

I'll tell you what i really think now.

Your problem is pride.
You don't do anything truely important, instead you live a normal mundane meaningless existance. So you feel the need to qualify your place on the planet by being excessivly proud of your occupation.
You don't like the idea of someone taking off work for a dead animal because in your mind that would deflate the value of your job. Somone thinking that roadkill is more valuable than chasing a dollar at the office, means that they don't think your company is doing anything meaningful. If they did think they were working for a company that was actually doing something to help humanity, they would certainly come in.

You don't know me from a dead animal. So don't tell me, like it's some kind of fact, that you know something about me, because you don't know shit. BTW, you obviously can't read. Because I've said several times in this thread that it doesn't matter to me what job you have, you still shouldn't be taking a day for dead animals. I've also said that this conversation wasn't derived from my professional life, but rather my personal life. So for you to draw a direct correlation between my profession and this topic is completely retarded.

well for one i respect others opinions and i not trying to force manipulate for an agreement of my opinion.

why am i a plane flyer in this thread?

rofl@thisthread..

well here's my opinion.

If I'm working for someone, I'll work hard and try to do an exceptional job. I'll show up day in and day out. However, I'm not a slave and in return for my loyalty, my boss has to realize that I have a life and there will be things that at times are more important than my job. I'm no slave. Some days are going to be my own and it's nobody's business what the fuck I do with them. Just mho.

plained wrote:well whenever he is on the rocks and upset

he pulls out the hitler compares

sinse its a usual thing he has done i can only believe he believes its a legit way to manipulate opinion about the people he is in his mind "fighting" olo

So you honestly don't understand the point he was making?

last time i laughed at him aligning hitler with the peeps hes attacking he he got speechless then too

i shouldnt even bother aswering with ur desparate- me not understanding- troll

[xeno]Julios wrote:

YourGrandpa wrote: It's obvious that everything is relative to specific situations. You could also whittle every statement down to its finer points and dissect it until you’re blue in the face. But the fact of the matter is, the general consensus would be humans over animals.

Even if we agree that the life of the human animal is in some way more valuable than the life of another species, we both understand that some people form extremely close bonds with their non-human companions.

Not all of us, but some of us.

Bonds which are so strong that the loss of the companion means emotional distress comparable to the loss of a human friend.

In some cases, this may be the result of an unhealthy obsessiveness and attachment, similar to the attachment some humans have to their motor vehicles.

But in some cases, this loss stems from a completely genuine and healthy relationship they had.

All I'm asking is that these cases be acknowledged.

Dude, we're going in circles here. What point do you want to discuss, Animal life vs Human life or taking a day off because of an animals death? I only addressed the animal vs human thing because someone started comparing them on the same level. I also never said that you couldn't have deep feeling for an animal. I simply stated my opinion about missing work over a animal's death.

plained wrote:last time i laughed at him aligning hitler with the peeps hes attacking he he got speechless then too

i shouldnt even bother aswering with ur desparate- me not understanding- troll

It's not a troll. If you really think he is comparing gramps to hitler as a means of attacking his character, then you didn't understand his point.

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:well here's my opinion.

If I'm working for someone, I'll work hard and try to do an exceptional job. I'll show up day in and day out. However, I'm not a slave and in return for my loyalty, my boss has to realize that I have a life and there will be things that at times are more important than my job. I'm no slave. Some days are going to be my own and it's nobody's business what the fuck I do with them. Just mho.

well an exceptional job is something that should be valued by any emplyer.

if its not, that worker is too good for the employer and should get the fuck out of that company

the worker can then be free to go on to something more appreciative of thier skills

Dr_Watson wrote:

plained wrote:well whenever he is on the rocks and upset

he pulls out the hitler compares

sinse its a usual thing he has done i can only believe he believes its a legit way to manipulate opinion about the people he is in his mind "fighting" olo

how is that different than trying to fly a plane into the argument?

The 3000 people dying in towers and thousands of animals dying every day are two very real things. They both got/get a reaction from the general public. That was the only reason I drew the comparison.

YourGrandpa wrote:

seremtan wrote:looks like Sargepa is confusing a moral claim about the relative importance of humans and animals with the more mundane issue of whether or not a person being very upset over the death of a much-loved pet is grounds for a day off work. the issue in the latter case is the strength of feeling of a HUMAN, so the day off would be granted on the basis of a HUMAN response to pet death, and not be granted as a philosophical pronouncement on the relative worth of humans and animals

dumbass

My point was not that you can't have feelings for animals, but that feeling shouldn't be as strong as your feelings for a human and if it was you are an idiot. Human life is and always will be more valuable than animal. This isn't something I need to prove. It's proven over and over in every day life. Which do you think would bother the general public more? 3000 people die in falling towers or 3000 homeless animals are put to sleep. And if you say anything other than the 3000 people dying, you're still an idiot IMHO. Sorry...

wait a minute - you started this thread by asking if you're an asshole for complaining about someone taking a day off work to grieve over a dead dog or whatever furry critter it was, now we're into peter singer & speciesism territory all of a sudden. of course human life is worth more than animal life. i thought that was so obvious as not to need dwelling on

neither do your feelings for an animal NEED to be as a strong as your feelings for a human in order to be upset when Mr Muggles takes a dirtnap - upset enough to take ONE DAY off work. it's only one day ffs. i'm sure the great protestant god will forgive them

[xeno]Julios wrote:

YourGrandpa wrote: It's obvious that everything is relative to specific situations. You could also whittle every statement down to its finer points and dissect it until you’re blue in the face. But the fact of the matter is, the general consensus would be humans over animals.

Even if we agree that the life of the human animal is in some way more valuable than the life of another species, we both understand that some people form extremely close bonds with their non-human companions.

Not all of us, but some of us.

Bonds which are so strong that the loss of the companion means emotional distress comparable to the loss of a human friend.

In some cases, this may be the result of an unhealthy obsessiveness and attachment, similar to the attachment some humans have to their motor vehicles.

But in some cases, this loss stems from a completely genuine and healthy relationship they had.

All I'm asking is that these cases be acknowledged.

thats alot of trust inducive wording ey

lotsa us, we, companion, genuine,human, human, human, healthy

its childishly obvios iin its intent ,but its still much better than hitler angles

YourGrandpa wrote: You don't know me from a dead animal. So don't tell me, like it's some kind of fact, that you know something about me, because you don't know shit. BTW, you obviously can't read. Because I've said several times in this thread that it doesn't matter to me what job you have, you still shouldn't be taking a day for dead animals. I've also said that this conversation wasn't derived from my professional life, but rather my personal life. So for you to draw a direct correlation between my profession and this topic is completely retarded.

removing the occupation is impossible.
the validity of any reason to miss work has everything to do with the work itself.
when someone decides to call-in they weigh the imporance of the days work against the importance of what else they can be doing.
if work wins, they suck it up and go in... if work loses, they take a personal day.
in the same way; your occupation cannot be seperated from this discussion. since your work ethic stems from personal experience, your opinion on the value of animal life and a day of work are not mutually exclusive. This is exactly the same reason why I express my counter opinion, my low value of work is a direct corelation to my jaded experiences in corporate america.

lastly... as much as you'd like to think otherwise, you've expressed enough opinion in this thread to provide adequate basis for my conslusion. If I prodded your nerve too harshly I appologize, given your previous attitude I figured you'd be less of a squishey kooshball.

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:well here's my opinion.

If I'm working for someone, I'll work hard and try to do an exceptional job. I'll show up day in and day out. However, I'm not a slave and in return for my loyalty, my boss has to realize that I have a life and there will be things that at times are more important than my job. I'm no slave. Some days are going to be my own and it's nobody's business what the fuck I do with them. Just mho.

I agree...

So just don't tell your boss that you need a day off to mourn your dead cat.

YourGrandpa wrote:
Dude, we're going in circles here. What point do you want to discuss, Animal life vs Human life or taking a day off because of an animals death? I only addressed the animal vs human thing because someone started comparing them on the same level. I also never said that you couldn't have deep feeling for an animal. I simply stated my opinion about missing work over a animal's death.

Ok here's the point that's being made by many here, which you still don't seem to be acknowledging:

1) Some people form legitimate, genuine, bonds with non human companions.

2) For some of these people, the death of this companion causes intense emotional suffering.

3) This emotional suffering is so severe, that they could really use a day in their own space to come to terms with their new reality.

4) A manager should recognize this possibility, and, in looking out for the well being of her employees, should not look down upon him when he asks for an emergency day of leave due to point 3).

Dr_Watson wrote:

YourGrandpa wrote: You don't know me from a dead animal. So don't tell me, like it's some kind of fact, that you know something about me, because you don't know shit. BTW, you obviously can't read. Because I've said several times in this thread that it doesn't matter to me what job you have, you still shouldn't be taking a day for dead animals. I've also said that this conversation wasn't derived from my professional life, but rather my personal life. So for you to draw a direct correlation between my profession and this topic is completely retarded.

removing the occupation is impossible.
the validity of any reason to miss work has everything to do with the work itself.
when someone decides to call-in they weigh the imporance of the days work against the importance of what else they can be doing.
if work wins, they suck it up and go in... if work loses, they take a personal day.
in the same way; your occupation cannot be seperated from this discussion. since your work ethic stems from personal experience, your opinion on the value of animal life and a day of work are not mutually exclusive. This is exactly the same reason why I express my counter opinion, my low value of work is a direct corelation to my jaded experiences in corporate america.

lastly... as much as you'd like to think otherwise, you've expressed enough opinion in this thread to provide adequate basis for my conslusion. If I prodded your nerve too harshly I appologize, given your previous attitude I figured you'd be less of a squishey kooshball.

If you don't take your job seriously enough to think it matters every day, then I'm sorry.

[xeno]Julios wrote:

YourGrandpa wrote:
Dude, we're going in circles here. What point do you want to discuss, Animal life vs Human life or taking a day off because of an animals death? I only addressed the animal vs human thing because someone started comparing them on the same level. I also never said that you couldn't have deep feeling for an animal. I simply stated my opinion about missing work over a animal's death.

Ok here's the point that's being made by many here, which you still don't seem to be acknowledging:

1) Some people form legitimate, genuine, bonds with non human companions.

2) For some of these people, the death of this companion causes intense emotional suffering.

3) This emotional suffering is so severe, that they could really use a day in their own space to come to terms with their new reality.

4) A manager should recognize this possibility, and, in looking out for the well being of her employees, should not look down upon him when he asks for an emergency day of leave due to point 3).

Please go back and read. I've acknoledged 1, 2, 3 and 4. But I'm of a different opinion. Sorry.