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http://climateprogress.org/2007/09/04/a ... ists-warn/

Arctic ice loss is “stunning” — total loss possible by 2030, scientists warn

Last week, the Arctic lost an area of ice “almost twice as big as the UK.” The normally staid US National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) reported:

Even more stunning is that the August 2007 monthly average is the lowest extent in the satellite record for any month, including any previous September, which is typically the lowest month each year.


The NSIDC notes “Another notable aspect of August 2007 was the opening of the Northwest Passage.”

Human-caused climate change is remaking the planet. Ice retreat back in 2005 was already faster than any of the 19 IPCC climate models had predicted. An NSIDC Arctic specialist said: “It’s amazing. It’s simply fallen off a cliff and we’re still losing ice.” He then added:

“If you asked me a couple of years ago when the Arctic could lose all of its ice then I would have said 2100, or 2070 maybe. But now I think that 2030 is a reasonable estimate. It seems that the Arctic is going to be a very different place within our lifetimes, and certainly within our childrens’ lifetimes.”

What does this mean? A synthesis report in August 2005 by twenty-one leading climate scientists, supported by the U.S. National Science Foundation’s Arctic Systems Science Program, noted that a summer ice-free Arctic Ocean is “a state not witnessed for at least a million years” and added

The change appears to be driven largely by feedback-enhanced global climate warming, and there seem to be few, if any, processes or feedbacks within the Arctic system that are capable of altering the trajectory toward this “super interglacial” state.

We continue to underestimate crucial amplifying feedbacks that threaten much more serious global warming impacts much sooner than anticipated.

The time to act is now.

Good thing you're acting by preaching to the choir.
What really frightens me is the angry reactions I get from people who think that global warming is totally false. Not just the fact that you may question the causes, but completely and utterly dismiss the possibility. Nope. Planet's not getting warmer. All a scam.

WHAT THE FUCK?

Nightshade wrote:Good thing you're acting by preaching to the choir.
What really frightens me is the angry reactions I get from people who think that global warming is totally false. Not just the fact that you may question the causes, but completely and utterly dismiss the possibility. Nope. Planet's not getting warmer. All a scam.

WHAT THE FUCK?

I didn't add that time to act part...

a summer ice-free Arctic Ocean is “a state not witnessed for at least a million years”

and yet we survived

these various articles seem to suggest that due to various feedback loops and the timescale involved, serious warming is inevitable, yet all the public rhetoric is about preventing the (apparently) inevitable from happening, and the notion of adaptation is barely on the cards

i don't think there's much of a question that "humans" will survive a change of even 20°F, but human civilization will not. global population of billions will drop by orders of magnitude, and there will likely be pretty sick wars when the food and fuel supplies start giving out.

I'm looking forward to it.

menkent wrote:i don't think there's much of a question that "humans" will survive a change of even 20°F, but human civilization will not. global population of billions will drop by orders of magnitude, and there will likely be pretty sick wars when the food and fuel supplies start giving out.

lol...there isn't a question? what if large amounts of methane r released from the ocean floors and permafrost?...

scared? wrote: lol...there isn't a question? what if large amounts of methane r released from the ocean floors...

i take it you're referring to the clathrate gun hypothesis ?
this has been disproved.
http://www.bioedonline.org/news/news.cfm?art=2334

next.

so u skipped the permafrost i see...lol...

busetibi wrote:i take it you're referring to the clathrate gun hypothesis ?
this has been disproved.
http://www.bioedonline.org/news/news.cfm?art=2334

next.

The article only disproves it's a single cause of global warming... which is only logical and just because frankly, that's just silly.

But it doesn't change the fact that those methane pockets can be a dangerous catalyst if the ocean temperature / pressure shift even the tiniest of bits... It's one domino brick in the row, if you will. If god knows what causes the water level to increase dramatically or changes the avarage ocean temperature with 1 degree celcius, the burping will commence. Which will in turn trigger many other things.

lol...everyone knows that Jesus farting after too many burritos caused the last ice age...unless ur a maron...

wow ur not funny at all nightcunt...

Ryoki wrote:

busetibi wrote:i take it you're referring to the clathrate gun hypothesis ?
this has been disproved.
http://www.bioedonline.org/news/news.cfm?art=2334

next.

The article only disproves it's a single cause of global warming... which is only logical and just because frankly, that's just silly.

which was why i was pointing it out to the mooch.
and..........
http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stor ... 996930.htm
that answer your question about permafrost/methane geoff?

lol busetibi...

scared? wrote:wow ur not funny at all nightcunt...

It wasn't supposed to be funny, you fucking mental midget.

lol alien life on other planets...

keep up all the complaining puff it matters!

ey you better not ride or drive in cars tho!

lol wtf...u the 15th century church? there r trillions of planets...the chance of there not being life on some of them is astronomically impossible...

Holy batshit are you ever stupid.

u actually think earth is the only place in the entire universe where there is life? thats retarded...

No dipshit, I'm just familiar with the Drake equation.

u need drake to figure it out? lol...its obvious...and ur a moron...and his equation only deals with our galaxy...i said universe...moron alert!...

Thanks for your continued stupidity, goof. It just makes me feel that much smarter.

pwned again as usual...u must be sad in real life...

Pro-tip: Telling people you owned them doesn't mean that you actually owned them.