losCHUNK wrote:
That should explain that I am NOT saying that they're all innocent, but Shaft and Puff ARE saying they were all guilty, which is the rhetoric.
You're too dumb to even know what anyone was talking about.
Memphis wrote:I agree with that analysis. My only interjection, is how she maybe initially receives the benefit of the doubt, but he does not. If that did not happen, maybe nobody would have lost their life. We'd need the article and possibly more to duke anything out - and I'm sure that if either are demonstrably found guilty, there would be no disagreement over a conviction.
Benefit of the doubt is a super hard thing to get right. Who gets the benefit of the doubt when rape is involved? The accuser? The accused? Both? Neither? Everyon'e going to make up their own minds in the end. A false accusation of rape can destroy someone's life, but so does raping someone. Even after a court determines whether a rape occurred, it still might not convince the public of who was right and who was wrong. You can Google the Steubenville rape case for a good example of how fucked up it can get.
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Memphis wrote:When I say 'feminists' - I am obviously referring to the feminists in particular who have said whatever stupid shit is in question. We can argue semantics all day, but it's not really much fun, tbh.
I shall certainly agree, that not all feminists in society are radical extremists.
Out of genuine curiosity, what percentage of feminists do you think fall into the category of batshit crazy? And what percentage of the conversation do you think their voices take up?
If I had to hazard a guess myself off the top of my head, I'd say 1% and 20% respectively.
[quote="YourGrandpa"]I'm satisfied with voicing my opinion and moving on.[/quote]
Transient wrote:Benefit of the doubt is a super hard thing to get right. Who gets the benefit of the doubt when rape is involved? The accuser? The accused? Both? Neither? Everyon'e going to make up their own minds in the end. A false accusation of rape can destroy someone's life, but so does raping someone. Even after a court determines whether a rape occurred, it still might not convince the public of who was right and who was wrong. You can Google the Steubenville rape case for a good example of how fucked up it can get.
Aye. There should simply be none, on either side, until the justice system has done it's duty. Either way, that absolutely has to be allowed to happen first.
Afterwards, should it be a shit-show - that's a come what may basis. Christ knows what the 'right' thing may be in any such instance, bar thorough third-party investigation. Thanks for the read suggestion, I'd not heard of it, so will have a gander.
This.
I've always bought into the idea it's better to let 10 guilty men go than... It's not necessarily something I live by, but getting plucked out your daily life and dragged through a 2 year court case. Just no.
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My favorite part about discussions around here is when nerd agro causes people to jump to extreme conclusions and then refuse to back down no matter what.
losCHUNK wrote:
That should explain that I am NOT saying that they're all innocent, but Shaft and Puff ARE saying they were all guilty, which is the rhetoric.
You're too dumb to even know what anyone was talking about.
Puffs is worse
shaft wrote:So she drank a lot and you thought that meant yes, tell us more.
shaft wrote:You know who likes to downplay rape statistics? Convicted rapists.
That's exactly the rhetoric I was talking about. No doubt this is why you didn't even bother mentioning the stats. Cos rapists, right ?
Now gargle, don't spit.
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Captain Mazda wrote:
I was raised to treat women and men alike with respect. I'll hold the door open for anyone and I respect people's right for personal space.
And just for shits and giggles:
Do I believe women deserve equal treatment and respect same as men? Yes.
Do I believe women should be given special rights and an advantage over men? No.
Do I believe efforts should be made to increase women's interest or participation in industries and professions typically dominated by men? Yes.
Now I'm gonna go cook an awesome meal for my girlfriend because feminism made me feel guilty about liking tits.
oh and l see lies there, i am almost 100% sure u make the meal jus because, because you are awesome!
Memphis wrote:I honestly couldn't say. Many feminists no longer wish to identify as one, so it'd be a very, very tricky guestimate to make.
If we could get any information, it would be interesting.
On campus feminists, on gender studies courses though? Probaby all of them. Bar the few that speak out about a culture of brainwashing that is far more about activism, than it is about research.
Ok, so if all the campus feminists and all the people in gender studies classes are crazy bitches, how many people total is that? Out of the tens (hundreds?) of millions of college students worldwide, that's a very small fraction of people, even if your guess is totally right. That's not a lot of batshittiness. Yet you can point me to example after example of these nutters (I'm not watching all those videos, by the way, and I doubt anyone else is), so why the disparity? The internet is amplyfying the voices of these crazy fucking idiots who don't know what they're talking about, and you two are overreacting to them. They don't have as much power as you think they do.
[quote="YourGrandpa"]I'm satisfied with voicing my opinion and moving on.[/quote]
You only need to look at this thread to see how closely people hold their beliefs and what happens when you challenge them - you get called a racist, a bigot, a rapist or women beater
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Memphis wrote:it's a valid example of the opposite side. regressives are the farthest of the far left. nazis are considered the far, far right.
noone's calling anyone a nazi. answer the question.
You're implying that feminists are somehow potentially as dangerous as Nazis? If you're worried about that, then we are on two completely different levels and we're only going to go in circles from here on out.
[quote="YourGrandpa"]I'm satisfied with voicing my opinion and moving on.[/quote]
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:Much like I'm now going to point out that you're a creepy, woman hater.
Go ahead. I wish you good fortune in finding proof. Else, whatever kiddo. You're entitled to your opinion. Even if it's based on shallow, fetid bitterness.
This thread is proof you goofball. You go on about 'triggered' people and meanwhile this thread is you 'triggered' about inconsequential b.s. that has literally no effect on your life. Keep posting links of all these things that upset you you're not unhinged at all...
