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Re: Global Warming

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:44 pm
by scared?
yeah i know but i did...

Re: Global Warming

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:46 pm
by plained
you crushed first tho !

Re: Global Warming

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:06 pm
by Nightshade
scared? wrote:yeah i know but i did...
Did what? Act like a bobble-headed fuckwit?

Re: Global Warming

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:07 pm
by scared?
pwned after u contradicted urself like a silly human child moron...

Re: Global Warming

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:39 pm
by GONNAFISTYA
TBH, after looking at the deep field image I have to assume that there probably are over a trillion planets in the universe.

As to the drake equation that's just dogshit, but you gotta admit there's probably at least billions of planets with life.

Re: Global Warming

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:58 pm
by Nightshade
scared? wrote:pwned after u contradicted urself like a silly human child moron...
lol, you dumb fuck. Show me where I contradicted myself, you stupid assbag. :olo:

Re: Global Warming

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:40 pm
by scared?
rofl...and a billion would be ultra conservative...

Re: Global Warming

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:17 pm
by Nightshade
GONNAFISTYA wrote: As to the drake equation that's just dogshit, but you gotta admit there's probably at least billions of planets with life.
Wow, that's some deep analysis you got going on there, sparky.

Re: Global Warming

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:31 pm
by scared?
lol...the dummy types again...^^^

Re: Global Warming

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:52 pm
by GONNAFISTYA
Nightshade wrote:
GONNAFISTYA wrote: As to the drake equation that's just dogshit, but you gotta admit there's probably at least billions of planets with life.
Wow, that's some deep analysis you got going on there, sparky.
It's just a guess.

I hope your neighbors die driving their new motorbikes...into your living room. :olo:

Re: Global Warming

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:53 pm
by R00k
You must have a pretty exciting life at home, that you don't get bored typing the same 5 sentences on a forum over and over for months at a time.

edit: ^^

Re: Global Warming

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:55 pm
by scared?
is medal of honor airborne available for download yet? not that i need it since i'm still crushing bioshock on hard but i like to mix it up a bit...

Re: Global Warming

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:59 pm
by seremtan
tbh i wouldn't be in the slightest bit surprised if there was no other intelligent life on any other planet in the universe. there may be a bajillion planets out there with an environment more or less capable of supporting life forms, but the probability of another one having some kind of advanced (in human terms) species living on it is very small, when you consider all the conditions that had to be met just for humans to exist (not to mention sheer blind luck)

Re: Global Warming

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:02 pm
by scared?
seremtan wrote:tbh i wouldn't be in the slightest bit surprised if there was no other intelligent life on any other planet in the universe. there may be a bajillion planets out there with an environment more or less capable of supporting life forms, but the probability of another one having some kind of advanced (in human terms) species living on it is very small, when you consider all the conditions that had to be met just for humans to exist (not to mention sheer blind luck)
actually ur very wrong...if very small u mean millions of planets with advanced life then maybe but i don't think ur grasping the vastness of the universe...also we aren't in any way special...chances r 99.9999999% and u don't understand how the biology works obviously...

Re: Global Warming

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:08 pm
by Foo
I thought you ran out of bud...

Re: Global Warming

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:19 pm
by R00k
seremtan wrote:tbh i wouldn't be in the slightest bit surprised if there was no other intelligent life on any other planet in the universe. there may be a bajillion planets out there with an environment more or less capable of supporting life forms, but the probability of another one having some kind of advanced (in human terms) species living on it is very small, when you consider all the conditions that had to be met just for humans to exist (not to mention sheer blind luck)
Well, if you limit it to the conditions that had to be met just for "humans" (specifically) to exist, then the odds would be pretty small (but I'd be willing to wager they would still be tenable to make a case that it would be likely to happen).

I would say that it's extremely probable (I would say a near certainty based on my limited knowledge) that complex life exists elsewhere in the universe.

But intelligence is a gray area, IMO. If we want to narrow down the likelihood of intelligent life existing elsewhere, then what benchmark would we use? Would we be looking for life as intelligent as late primates? Dolphins? Organisms that use tools? If you would agree that the existence of any of those levels of intelligence is probable elsewhere in the universe, then it would be hard to argue that more advanced intelligence, like our own, isn't probable as well. Because, once primate-level intelligence comes into existence, it really only seems a matter of time before more advanced intelligence does as well. That's not proven of course, but there is a basis for making such a claim.

I also think a strong component of the likelihood of such life existing, is the question of how improbable is it that cumulative selection could or would produce such a result?

If our current understanding of evolution is fairly accurate, then we know that there is no real "leap" between the intelligence of some animals and our own, so much as there is a gradual, cumulative "increase" in intelligence - and thus a gray area.

So unless you're talking about a specific quality or type of intelligence -- such as self-awareness -- then it would really be tricky to make the case that intelligence wouldn't be likely to exist, and still believe other forms of complex life are likely to.

And again, if you do want to narrow it down to something like self-awareness, then we would need to try to find out what sort of evolutionary changes are needed in order for self-awareness to exist to begin with, and then to see what sort of advantages each of those changes would give one species of organism over another, in order for it to be selected and then improved upon.

Re: Global Warming

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:46 pm
by scared?
R00k wrote:
Well, if you limit it to the conditions that had to be met just for "humans" (specifically) to exist, then the odds would be pretty small
no the odds ARE huge...and thats a mathematical fact...

Re: Global Warming

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:51 pm
by R00k
No shit genius -- did you read the next line after that one in my post?

Re: Global Warming

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:59 pm
by scared?
so ur saying u contradicted urself in a single sentence? get off the fence cunt...

Re: Global Warming

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:13 pm
by Kracis
Instead of assuming that the odds of life evolving are minute on any given planet one should assume life will flourish wherever conditions allow it to flourish. If you want an example, just go check your kitchen sink next time you leave the dishes there for a week.

Re: Global Warming

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:15 pm
by R00k
I'm drowning in a sea of retards

Re: Global Warming

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:18 pm
by Kracis
sometimes I just wish you'd drown.

Re: Global Warming

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:18 pm
by scared?
yup where ever there is liquid water there will be life...and then many other places as well...

Re: Global Warming

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:19 pm
by Kracis
Seriously tho, if they find bacterial life on mars or any sign of life on mars in the past wouldn't that be evidence enough that life will flourish anywhere it can? two planets in 1 solar system containing life would be a clear indication that wherever it can be supported it will thrive.

Re: Global Warming

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:48 am
by Nightshade
scared? wrote:
R00k wrote:
Well, if you limit it to the conditions that had to be met just for "humans" (specifically) to exist, then the odds would be pretty small
no the odds ARE huge...and thats a mathematical fact...
Something you're entirely unequipped to grasp. :olo: