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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 12:53 pm
by So... Who Wants Smasht?
im crying and i cant stop, these people on fox news explaining what he went through with no emotion! i cant believe what they did to him , it is a sad night, i pray for his soul and pray for the governor, for having to deal with the death of a innocent man , his blood is in his hands.Tookie you where brave, and now you are an angel, like the bible says you confess your sins and the lord will forgive you and you will enter the gates of the heavan. and that is will he will be. May you rest in peace, thank you for giving us hope,
I have first handedly seen police do foul things to cover up their mistakes and make others look innocent/guility. I hope he rests in peace and I will laugh for eternity if the people who wanted him executed see him in heaven. Atleast he did do some good while he was still here. With the new evidence that was presented I really think that they should have allowed him a little more time, but executing him all goes along with the covering up type thing.
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:22 pm
by Nightshade
Hannibal wrote:Nightshade wrote:
So some say the death penalty is about retribution. So? Is there anything wrong with wanting too see the dirtbag that murdered a loved one put to death? If one of my family members was murdered and they caught the guy red-handed, I'd do everything I could to be able to shoot him myself. Call me barbaric, atavistic, whatever. Can any of you really say you wouldn't feel the same?
I'm sure most of us would feel the same, NS. The question I would have is this: How far can or should we go in using acute emotional reactions to traumatic events as part of the basis for conceptualizing justice?
I guess that we would have to come to an agreement as to the definition of justice. This will vary greatly, as should be tailored to satisfy the victim's family as well as the greater good of society. After all, in most crimes (imo), it is individuals rather than society at large that's harmed. I'll post more later, got shit to do at werk atm...
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:57 pm
by Freakaloin
have u heard the details of the murders he commited? he got what he deserved...actually...he got off easy
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:02 pm
by HM-PuFFNSTuFF
i know it's only one aspect of the debate but I'm still waiting for someone to present evidence that CP has a deterrent effect on the murder rate.
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:04 pm
by Freakaloin
no once cares if its a deterrent...cept for the fact the dead person won't murder again...
quit being a bed wetting liberal...
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:08 pm
by HM-PuFFNSTuFF
yes sir Mr O Reilly
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:10 pm
by shadd_
more like miss coultier.
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:10 pm
by tnf
Foo wrote:tnf wrote:My biggest fear, and something that I am fairly certain will occur at some point (if it hasn't already), is that an innocent man be executed and exonerated post-execution.
Christ, do some reading will you?
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article ... =6&did=110
Yes foo, read the whole fucking post...
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:16 pm
by Freakaloin
going against the death penalty is the kind of stance conservatives love liberals to take...helps them out come election time...dumb ass morons...
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:34 pm
by HM-PuFFNSTuFF
not in Canada
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:57 pm
by Underpants?
tnf wrote:Foo wrote:tnf wrote:My biggest fear, and something that I am fairly certain will occur at some point (if it hasn't already), is that an innocent man be executed and exonerated post-execution.
Christ, do some reading will you?
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article ... =6&did=110
Yes foo, read the whole fucking post...
you'll have to pardon my boy Foo. He doesn't realize what's going on, simply keeps viciously attacking his own foot creeping up on the bone of this argument.
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:04 pm
by Foo
Underpants? wrote:you'll have to pardon my boy Foo. He doesn't realize what's going on, simply keeps viciously attacking his own foot creeping up on the bone of this argument.
What's with the ragin hard on for me uniball?
looks like a cocktail stick poking out of an apple.
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:07 pm
by Tormentius
Massive Quasars wrote:
This is all that I require of the justice system, prevent a criminal from re-offending. Granted it's difficult to ascertain at this time if a criminal has been reformed, so erring on the side of safety may be required.
Yeah but our (Canadian) government doesn't do a great job of preventing re-offenses. For example, they recently released a sexual predator back onto the streets of Vancouver after he was quoted saying that he would reoffend and would do whatever it took to get sent back to prison. Honestly, wtf :icon27:
Edit: I think CP should be an option in some situations. IMO there are people who commit crimes terrible enough to warrant them being excised from our world like we would a cancer. That said, I don't believe CP should ever be a first option and should only be used in extreme cases (serial killers, child molestors, serial rapists, etc)
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:32 pm
by Underpants?
Foo wrote:Underpants? wrote:you'll have to pardon my boy Foo. He doesn't realize what's going on, simply keeps viciously attacking his own foot creeping up on the bone of this argument.
What's with the ragin hard on for me uniball?
looks like a cocktail stick poking out of an apple.
clever wording there, foo, only you forgot one minor item
the "lightpole-sized" part before the cocktail stick statement is somehow missing
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:39 pm
by Foo
Yer, that was pretty well written.
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:53 pm
by Canis
Good article! :icon14:
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:56 pm
by shadd_
woah, tucker says something sensable.
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:09 pm
by dzjepp
So... Who Wants Smasht? wrote:im crying and i cant stop, these people on fox news explaining what he went through with no emotion! i cant believe what they did to him , it is a sad night, i pray for his soul and pray for the governor, for having to deal with the death of a innocent man , his blood is in his hands.Tookie you where brave, and now you are an angel, like the bible says you confess your sins and the lord will forgive you and you will enter the gates of the heavan. and that is will he will be. May you rest in peace, thank you for giving us hope,
I have first handedly seen police do foul things to cover up their mistakes and make others look innocent/guility. I hope he rests in peace and I will laugh for eternity if the people who wanted him executed see him in heaven. Atleast he did do some good while he was still here. With the new evidence that was presented I really think that they should have allowed him a little more time, but executing him all goes along with the covering up type thing.
FUCK OFF REP
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:46 pm
by Canis
why waste your efforts?
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:49 pm
by Massive Quasars
Aren't you a neuroscientist, Canis?
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:56 pm
by Canis
I am. I study parts of the cellular signal interpretation in neurons.
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:05 pm
by plained
cant say i'm too surprized
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:08 pm
by Canis
I'm sensing a generalized conclusion coming out of this.
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:10 pm
by [xeno]Julios
good read. I pretty much agree with him.
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:59 am
by [xeno]Julios
i'm watching this interview with tookie 2 weeks prior to his death:
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl? ... /30/153247
he's an extremely articulate man, and either innocent, or a very good liar.