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bikkeldesnikkel wrote:

Law wrote:In my surroundings it's a definite majority. You're going really hard on the "inherent" argument. Didn't you agree with julios just a while ago that it wasn't?

I agreed it might not be in a really unrealistic scenario.

busetibi wrote:

bikkeldesnikkel wrote:

busetibi wrote: can you define your idea of "children" and "kids" as in age please ?

I'm talking about ages 4-13 approx, the lower(?) school.

Once they reach 13 and up, it's the parents who can get their children to understand and accept homosexuality. I'll give that there will still be problems, but most can be avoided.

bikkeldesnikkel wrote:

busetibi wrote:my god!
do you have children?
in particular, daughters?

lol no, please do enligten me

my daughters are 10 and 12, they pay out on fat kids/ teachers at school every day (at home), when they're watching TV and talking between themselves, they ask/tell each other 'he's gay or he looks gay" or when they're watching mtv and an old clip comes on one or the other ask, "is he gay" ?
i was watching the news the other month and the gay madi gra(sp?) come on, both of them said "ewwww look at the gays "
this is solely from them.
no input from my wife or myself.

bikkeldesnikkel wrote:How is the scenario unrealistic? I don't see anything unrealistic about it. Gays being accepted is not a tall-tale fantasy story.

Law wrote: I agreed it might not be in a really unrealistic scenario.

Ryoki wrote:Law can you explain this:

- I believe that the vast majority of children will not accept homosexuality until they reach a mature age, and even then a large portion will still not accept it (gay hostility is inherent).
- In the gay-friendly enviroment Julios described, a child would not have hostility towards gays (gay hostility is culture based).

Because to me, those are two opposite things that cannot both be true.

Ryoki wrote:

Law wrote: I agreed it might not be in a really unrealistic scenario.

Why is it so unrealistic? Do you not believe a culture is susceptible to change?
That's just naive, there are examples of this everywhere you look.

Law wrote:The scenario where a child is raised where homosexuality was openly accepted as normal, the child's parents had gay friends over frequently and these gay people expressed themselves openly, hollywood movies had gay heroes, camp attitudes were portrayed as normal and language was portrayed to become gay-friendly is a totally hypothetical situation. In some parts of sociecty some aspects of it are true, in some parts of society none of the aspects are true and in no parts of society are all the aspects true.

Law wrote:

busetibi wrote:

Law wrote: I believe children are far more accepting of Jewish parents than gay males.

wtf?


anti-Semitism raises its head AGAIN

How is saying children are accepting of Jewish parents anti-semitic?

Freakaloin wrote:

Law wrote:

busetibi wrote:
wtf?


anti-Semitism raises its head AGAIN

How is saying children are accepting of Jewish parents anti-semitic?

lol...u didn't say that dumbo...u said 'more' accepting u racist homophobe...

Law wrote:

Ryoki wrote:

Law wrote: I agreed it might not be in a really unrealistic scenario.

Why is it so unrealistic? Do you not believe a culture is susceptible to change?
That's just naive, there are examples of this everywhere you look.

And there are just as many if not more examples of it not happening everywhere.

Law wrote:

Law wrote:The scenario where a child is raised where homosexuality was openly accepted as normal, the child's parents had gay friends over frequently and these gay people expressed themselves openly, hollywood movies had gay heroes, camp attitudes were portrayed as normal and language was portrayed to become gay-friendly is a totally hypothetical situation. In some parts of sociecty some aspects of it are true, in some parts of society none of the aspects are true and in no parts of society are all the aspects true.

Law wrote:[

Why should I explain those to you? I only made the first comment.

Law wrote:

[xeno]Julios wrote:

Law wrote:
There's not much I can say other than that of my belief that the vast majority of children will not accept homosexuality until they reach a mature age, and even then a large portion will still not accept it.

umm...

Please answer yes or no:

Imagine you raised a child in an environment where homosexuality was openly accepted as normal. The child's parents had gay friends over frequently and these gay people expressed themselves openly.

Imagine hollywood movies had gay heroes.

Imagine camp attitudes were portrayed as normal, in cartoons for example.

Imagine language changed to become gay-friendly.

Now here's my question - do you believe a child would have hostility toward gays in this environment?

Probably not, but what's the point in discussing a hypothetical situation that will never become a reality?

bikkeldesnikkel wrote:

busetibi wrote:

bikkeldesnikkel wrote: I'm talking about ages 4-13 approx, the lower(?) school.

Once they reach 13 and up, it's the parents who can get their children to understand and accept homosexuality. I'll give that there will still be problems, but most can be avoided.

bikkeldesnikkel wrote: lol no, please do enligten me

my daughters are 10 and 12, they pay out on fat kids/ teachers at school every day (at home), when they're watching TV and talking between themselves, they ask/tell each other 'he's gay or he looks gay" or when they're watching mtv and an old clip comes on one or the other ask, "is he gay" ?
i was watching the news the other month and the gay madi gra(sp?) come on, both of them said "ewwww look at the gays "
this is solely from them.
no input from my wife or myself.

Do they get bullied by fat kids/teachers or is it the other way around?

Would your kids traumatize another kid for having gay parents? And if they would, would you punish them for it?

MKJ wrote:[lvlshot][/lvlshot]

Transient wrote:

Law wrote:

Ryoki wrote: Why is it so unrealistic? Do you not believe a culture is susceptible to change?
That's just naive, there are examples of this everywhere you look.

And there are just as many if not more examples of it not happening everywhere.

By your own words you admit there are examples of homosexuality becoming socially accepted in our culture, thus it is a realistic scenario.

Freakaloin wrote:its much more damaging for a child to grow up in a christian home then a homosexual home...

Transient wrote:

busetibi wrote:my daughters are 10 and 12, they pay out on fat kids/ teachers at school every day (at home), when they're watching TV and talking between themselves, they ask/tell each other 'he's gay or he looks gay" or when they're watching mtv and an old clip comes on one or the other ask, "is he gay" ?
i was watching the news the other month and the gay madi gra(sp?) come on, both of them said "ewwww look at the gays "
this is solely from them.
no input from my wife or myself.

Out of curiosity, did you confront your kids about what they were saying?

Oh, and it's "Mardi Gras", BTW.

bikkeldesnikkel wrote:

Law wrote:

Law wrote:The scenario where a child is raised where homosexuality was openly accepted as normal, the child's parents had gay friends over frequently and these gay people expressed themselves openly, hollywood movies had gay heroes, camp attitudes were portrayed as normal and language was portrayed to become gay-friendly is a totally hypothetical situation. In some parts of sociecty some aspects of it are true, in some parts of society none of the aspects are true and in no parts of society are all the aspects true.

I'll rewrite the scenario then.
People are not against homosexuals and homosexual parenting.

That's about good enough, they might have a bit of trouble in school but not so much as to have psychological traumas.

Would that still be enough to forbid them from adopting children?

Ryoki wrote:

Law wrote:[

Why should I explain those to you? I only made the first comment.

Law wrote:

[xeno]Julios wrote: umm...

Please answer yes or no:

Imagine you raised a child in an environment where homosexuality was openly accepted as normal. The child's parents had gay friends over frequently and these gay people expressed themselves openly.

Imagine hollywood movies had gay heroes.

Imagine camp attitudes were portrayed as normal, in cartoons for example.

Imagine language changed to become gay-friendly.

Now here's my question - do you believe a child would have hostility toward gays in this environment?

Probably not, but what's the point in discussing a hypothetical situation that will never become a reality?

Lol you prick, i spent 5 minutes wading through all those replies