Quake3World

lol

Well, at least they listen to and act on criticism.
Still, a lot of goodwill toward them down the drain.

It's just like politics I suppose; announce draconian measures to test the water, and then when there's a massive backlash compromise to show how reasonable you are.

This is great. But the PS4 is still more powerful (no?) and $100 cheaper.

Was there ever a statement as to why they made all the ridiculous restrictions in the first place?

xer0s wrote:Was there ever a statement as to why they made all the ridiculous restrictions in the first place?

$$$

Of course, but they can't just tell us straight up they're doing it for the money. Surely they tried to make it sound like it was for our own good...?

It's not a disgusting crippling sadistic fascistoid moneygrabbing measure, it's a feature!

To move the industry away from discs and towards digital distribution. It was also supposed to save the consumer money since the publishers wouldn't have to compensate for trade or rentals.

There was some post where a secret MS employee tried to rationalize it all.

bitWISE wrote:To move the industry away from discs and towards digital distribution

Didn't we do that, like 6 years ago?
I haven't bought any physical media since 2007.

So they want to be the Steam of consoles? Got it...

Plan B wrote:

bitWISE wrote:To move the industry away from discs and towards digital distribution

Didn't we do that, like 6 years ago?
I haven't bought any physical media since 2007.

For the PC, with Steam, digital distribution is a way of old already. With consoles, not so much. I bet 99.9% of sales are still disc based, mostly because the only digital download option you have for the Xbox 360 is through Games on Demand, where they have a limited library of games on offer (mostly games that are at least a few months old) and they're all priced $60.

Plus you can fill your hard drive up pretty quick on a console...

Yeah, guess you're right. Haven't touched my xbox ever since it decided to RROD on me.
But surely digital distribution is the only way to go for the next xbox and ps.

They feature 500 gb+ drives. That would allow you to store at least 50 games before you have to clear out your junk.

I doubt new games are going to be under 10GB apiece.

Eraser wrote:For the PC, with Steam, digital distribution is a way of old already. With consoles, not so much. I bet 99.9% of sales are still disc based, mostly because the only digital download option you have for the Xbox 360 is through Games on Demand, where they have a limited library of games on offer (mostly games that are at least a few months old) and they're all priced $60.

State of Decay is an XBLA download only game that just released. It broke the original game sales record by posting 500,000 purchases in just the first week. So there is definitely solid demand for downloaded games on the console but AAA titles just don't release that way.

Transient wrote:I doubt new games are going to be under 10GB apiece.

A good point actually. Ps3 has had mandatory installs since launch, and im not sure about the ps4. Pretty sure itll require installs as well tho. I think it has to do with tje bandwidth between bluray to ram vs hdd to ram.

Still typical that ms is getting bashed for mandatory installs on the One even though Sony has done this for years.

Hummmm

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/bestsellers/ ... sv_vg_h__7

http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-vide ... f=sv_vg_11

MKJ wrote:
Still typical that ms is getting bashed for mandatory installs on the One even though Sony has done this for years.

MS is rightly bashed for it, and so is Sony. Mandatory installs on a console, especially taking as long as they do (I've heard 10 mo.Ute installs is not uncommon?) is just bullcrap.

MKJ, can you clarify what you mean by mandatory installs on the PS3? Some games might require you to do this, but it's not true for all games. Is that what you mean, that it's mandatory for some games?

I don't really have a problem with this, as it may be necessary for a smoother game experience rather than loading from a spinning disc.

I've seen a few games install some data but not all. MGS 4 was the worst.

Ps3 updates on the other hand... Now those were unbearable.

My life is a lie! I always thought games had to be installed in order to play. Never heard otherwise either. In fact, a friend of mine switched from ps3 to 360 a ywar ago and he was pleasantly surprised that he could just pop in a game and play on 360

Well then. That changes things.

so who's ordering one?

I don't think you will find many people at the moment. I know quite a few people who are going PS4 though...

even though there's more pre-orders for xbox?

Is there? I wouldn't have expected that in fairness - kind of shocked me. I would have expected a small surge given the back tracking on Microsoft's part, but all the negative press around it before would have drawn me into saying the PS4 would have been miles ahead. Especially with stats like this being bounded around;

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/PS4-Ta ... 56837.html