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When it's all said and done, it's idiots like this lady that do fucked up shit like this.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/runover.html

Dek wrote:..dekard pokes in again


http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/ ... ideo1.html

All the video from the time she passes him speeding to the shock, to the arrest, also with narrative.

Nice now you can see the full story and how it evolved. It also states (if you listen to the commentary) that this officer trains officers in the use of the taser, He has received a 5 second burst of 50,000 volts himself, and this is the first time her has ever had to use the taser.

Pooinyourmouth_needmerge wrote:Refusing to comply with an officer of the law is resisting arrest.

Um, no. Resisting arrest is actively preventing an officer from arresting you. That didn't happen in this case.

Bullshit. Watch the video. He told he she was under arrest, then he tried to get he out of the car after she refused and continued with her phone call. She was resisting arrest, was belligerent from the start, and was doing 16mph over the limit on a suspended license.
She's a fucking idiot, and although if I was the cop I would have maced her, I don't blame him for using the taser.

"OOOH! YOU'RE A RACIST! OOOHH!!!" What a fucking moron.

Nightshade wrote:Bullshit. Watch the video. He told he she was under arrest, then he tried to get he out of the car after she refused and continued with her phone call. She was resisting arrest, was belligerent from the start, and was doing 16mph over the limit on a suspended license.
She's a fucking idiot, and although if I was the cop I would have maced her, I don't blame him for using the taser.

"OOOH! YOU'RE A RACIST! OOOHH!!!" What a fucking moron.

I watched the video, but she was never under arrest. Or did I just miss that part? I'll watch it again...

btw... on an unrelated note, I think it's great the department has a yellow unmarked Mustang Cobra. :icon26:

werldhed wrote:
Um, no. Resisting arrest is actively preventing an officer from arresting you. That didn't happen in this case.

Well I guess I can't argue with the blind. No matter what I say, you arent going to see it. This cunt got what she deserved and the best is yet to come. $500 bucks says she gets back behind the wheel of a car again and puts regular folks at risk again. It's obvios she could have gone without having the fuck shocked out of her, but it was ultimately her choice to be a cunt in the end.

Pooinyourmouth_needmerge wrote:

werldhed wrote:
Um, no. Resisting arrest is actively preventing an officer from arresting you. That didn't happen in this case.

Well I guess I can't argue with the blind. No matter what I say, you arent going to see it. This cunt got what she deserved and the best is yet to come. $500 bucks says she gets back behind the wheel of a car again and puts regular folks at risk again. It's obvios she could have gone without having the fuck shocked out of her, but it was ultimately her choice to be a cunt in the end.

Don't get me wrong, I definitely think she should have been taken in, but I don't see any justification for sending 50,000 volts or however much it is through her just because she didn't put down her phone. I'm not trying to put blame on the officers either, because those sorts of situations are hard to pick apart in short notice like that. My problem is when people suggest she got what she deserved. How? What possible justification is there for electricuting someone who didn't put down their phone? If she had forcibly attacked the officer or resisted arrest, I could understand it. But being glad she was shocked because she had an attitude? That's just not my thing, I guess.

How is taking a swing at one of the officers not forcibly resisting arrest? You are aware that she did this right?

Yes, I know she slapped his hand out of the way, which is justification for her to be handcuffed and restrained, not to be tased (I still stand by my point that she wasn't under arrest, so she wasn't actually resisting arrest, but that's just semantics...). Remember, he didn't even threaten to shock her until after she hit him. Why didn't he just pull her out of the car at that point?

Bah, I just noticed it's time for me to head home, so I'll cede the winning argument to you. Have a great weekend, everyone. :icon17:

MKJ wrote:so a cop gets a gun aimed at his face every single day?
mebbe time to do something about all those guns

Yeah, thats easy to do because all criminals buy their guns legally from the local 7-11.

Education is the most effective solution.

werldhed wrote:
Ah... now the plot thickens. First, I'll just have to say that this is a point on which we'll just have to disagree; I'd justify use of a taser only if there is a severe threat to the officer or if the the officer is unable to subdue them by ordinary means.

That point is moot in the case of this lady, though, because she was never arrested. He asked her to put out her cigarette, step out of the car, and put down the phone. That's not resisting arrest.

If a cop gives an instruction you bloodywell comply or face consequences which usually aren't pleasant. Commonsense++

werldhed wrote:Yes, I know she slapped his hand out of the way, which is justification for her to be handcuffed and restrained, not to be tased (I still stand by my point that she wasn't under arrest, so she wasn't actually resisting arrest, but that's just semantics...). Remember, he didn't even threaten to shock her until after she hit him. Why didn't he just pull her out of the car at that point?

Watch all the clips in the link Dekard posted. He flat out tells her: "You are under arrest."

Nightshade wrote:I think that the cop most definitely over-reacted. Yes, she was refusing to comply, but he and his partner should have just manhandled her out of the vehicle and cuffed her. Pepper spray at the most if she resisted.
I still find it funny that she got zapped, because it's always funny when painful things happen to idiots.

The trouble here is not a nation-wide cultural paranoia IMO, it's the fact that many people that become cops don't have the right demeanor to be cops.

I haven't finished reading the thread yet, but this sums up my thoughts on the video perfectly. :icon14:


A lot of people also seem to forget that there have been dozens of people killed by these "non-lethal" tazers already. It's a little irresponsible to go zapping people with them because you can't get them to do what you want them to. A person not following your commands should not be construed as an insult to your personal pride -- if you take it that way, then you shouldn't be put in a position of authority, with other people's lives in your hands.

Tormentius wrote:
If a cop gives an instruction you bloodywell comply or face consequences which usually aren't pleasant. Commonsense++

If i'm stupid enough not to wear a seatbelt, then does that mean people should say:

aha - fool deserved to die.

If i walk into a dangerous neighbourhood and get mugged, and get mugged, did i "deserve" it?

Sure, she knew what was coming, and was blatantly retarded - no question about that - i just find it kinda terrifying that we are sanctioning the inflicting of severe pain just because:

"she deserved it".

Giraffe }{unter wrote:

Jackal wrote: I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that. We're here arguing that the States are fucked up and overtly violent in general while the people who're arguing against it are going on about how if we were a cop in America we wouldn't want to take any chances either. Just seems to prove our point.

Yeah this place is pretty fucked up, where some countries have so little violent crime it's amazing. What sucks is having your wife work in a really bad area, compound that with having her work late and leave the building alone after 10PM. It gives you a feeling of helplessness knowing that if something happens you are 40 minutes away and can't do a fucking thing about it.

I would love to wake up every day knowing that the worst thing that could happen to me is my allergies acting up because of all the pretty flowers, but I know that's not going to happen here.

You say that like somebody's forcing you to live there. I sure as hell don't wonder if I'm going to get shot when I wake up in the morning. And as a matter of fact, I've had severe allergy problems the last 3 or 4 days, and it has pretty much been the worst thing I've had to worry about for the last 3 or 4 days.

If you don't like being a paranoid, then stop worrying about it, or move.

4days wrote:

Pooinyourmouth_needmerge wrote:I missed the part where this turned into a "let's all hate america" thread.

You should see what happens in mexico if you refuse to cooperate the first time. Or better yet try south africa.

both of those are essentially third-world countries where a handful of people hold/control all of the resources and the rest are left to fight each other over scraps in the gutter.

I agree. It's a statement alone that he's comparing them with the leader of the free world.

Again, everyone is real good at getting high and mighty about how horrible it was that she endured physical discomfort, and how out of line the officer was.

And again, flip the situation around - female cop, male driver - and this conversation is probably a non-issue. More than likely, you'd figure that the guy was getting aggresive and being 100% non-complaint to an ORDER THAT WAS AS CLEAR AS FUCKING DAY AND IGNORED THE REPEATED GODDAMNED WARNING THAT IF HE DID NOT STOP WHAT HE WAS DOING HE WAS GOING TO GET TASERED. In this case, it would not be a huge leap to foresee that the potential male driver might become a threat to the safety of the female officer if she attempted to get close to him and pull him out of the car - an awkward and potentially dagerous situation that puts her in a bad tactical position because she has to approach him close enough for him to do somethign like pull a weapon, burn her with the cars cigarette lighter, or just begin fighting with her. So, she would taser the fucker since he MADE IT CLEAR HE WAS NOT GOING TO FOLLOW SIMPLE RULES, WHICH MAKES IT OBVIOUS THAT HE IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE COMPLAINT WITH MORE COMPLICATED RULES LIKE 'GET OUT OF THE CAR AND WALK BACKWARDS TOWARDS ME' - so before she has to risk her own safety, and, to be honest, the safety of the male driver, she tasers him.

Call me sexist, but I see the fact that it was a male cop and female passenger irrelevant (he shouldn't have to worry about getting a fingernail jabbed in his eye as she tries to fight back when he approaches the car, etc...or seeing her possibly attempt to flee the area in her vehicle, as has happened in many cases where the driver is an irate and out of line idiot - further endangering the public and the driver), and therefore see his actions as completely in-line.


But that's not going to change the minds of those who will take this ambigious stance:

"Oh, I agree she was out of line...but golly gee, I just wish we could deal with things in a way where we were giving people lollipops for evading arrest, obstructing justice, etc., instead of tasering them or hurting their feelings."

[xeno]Julios wrote:

Tormentius wrote:
If a cop gives an instruction you bloodywell comply or face consequences which usually aren't pleasant. Commonsense++

If i'm stupid enough not to wear a seatbelt, then does that mean people should say:

aha - fool deserved to die.

If i walk into a dangerous neighbourhood and get mugged, and get mugged, did i "deserve" it?

Sure, she knew what was coming, and was blatantly retarded - no question about that - i just find it kinda terrifying that we are sanctioning the inflicting of severe pain just because:

"she deserved it".

The problem with that logic is, she was offered a choice. Get out of the car or get tazed. Getting mugged and dying in a car accident aren't choices people typically make.

He could have stood there, right out of her reach. No danger whatsoever.

The way I understand it she wasn't being arrested, simply ticketed for driving on a suspended license.
If that's the case, why not stand there until she stops blubbering, write her ticket, wad it up in a ball, and hit her in the face with it, then leave?

To the rest of you sheltered idiots who have simpathy for that retarded bitch, you need to get out more. Because you obviously don't understand what the consequences are for driving on a suspended license, resisting arrest and assault on an officer.

R00k wrote:He could have stood there, right out of her reach. No danger whatsoever.

The way I understand it she wasn't being arrested, simply ticketed for driving on a suspended license.
If that's the case, why not stand there until she stops blubbering, write her ticket, wad it up in a ball, and hit her in the face with it, then leave?

Driving on a suspended license isn't an offence you just get ticketed for. Don't you understand that she's not suppose to be driving? Do you think the officer is going to give her a ticket and let her drive off? What a fool. Morons like you make me ill. Why should a law enforcement officer wait arround outside the car until she's ready to comply? That's completely idiotic. He's got a job to do and that job is not to wait around until some stupid bitch is ready to comply. Given the way she was reacting to the situation to begin with, didn't leave any room to believe she had intentions of cooperating any time soon. If the officers just stood there, she may have driven off or enouraged others to show up in her defense. Both of those outcomes could have endanger the officers and others.

She repeatedly broke the law and paid for it in a way where everyone walked away unharmed. How any moron can confuse that with excessive force is beyond me.

R00k wrote:He could have stood there, right out of her reach. No danger whatsoever.

The way I understand it she wasn't being arrested, simply ticketed for driving on a suspended license.
If that's the case, why not stand there until she stops blubbering, write her ticket, wad it up in a ball, and hit her in the face with it, then leave?

Like I said before in this very thread... you DO NOT get a ticket for driving on a suspended licence. You go strait to booking. She knew was under arrest and she knew she was going to jail the moment she pulled over. It's just some idiots like to trump up the situation and push buttons to get the cops to react like this so they can come back and sue.

For me it just goes to show how people like this will get off in in the justice system, all because of too many bleeding hearts. Can't wait till this bitch runs over some bleeding hearts kid.

Point being, she never even should have been behind the wheel of a car im the first place. It was her actions all the way that put her in that situation. I'd really hate to be with this dumb bitch if she ever got mugged.

[xeno]Julios wrote:
"she deserved it".

The 'deserve' bit shouldn't be concerning you Jules. After all, "she" is simply a particular volume of space-time, picked out in this case as a salient conduit of a causal stream we are momentarily fixated upon. Surely 'praise' and 'blame' are rather beside the point.