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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:40 am
by Whiskey 7
saturn wrote:Waiting in a restaurant for our food. Played a bit with my 28mm f2.8 manual focus, had to set aperture and shutterspeed myself without metering :)

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saturn, Ive seen some great shots recently.

This is up there with 'em :D

You have captured something here quite unique.

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:14 am
by tnf
What should be done with something like this one in photoshop?
I took it today, got a bunch of this butterfly when I was outside working. It let me get pretty close without flying off. Forgive the amateurishness of things like...well...whatever goes into taking a good close-up picture.

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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:25 am
by Dave
Well, if it makes you feel any better, there's not much you can do to fix that one in Photoshop. The color quality is nice overall except perhaps it could use a little contrast. The best thing you can do is size it down about 50%. Unless you're printing or making wallpaper, images on the web look best at about 500-800 px in the longest dimension... Any larger and you can't see the whole thing at once on the screen and any little ugly details pop out like a sore thumb. If you look at some of the "best" photos on flickr at full size--the sharp as a tack ones with hypersaturated color--they often look like crap ;)

What I see is that it seems to be "suffering" from a lack of depth of field and/or some motion blur. The back wing might to be out of focus, but it could also be moving. You need long shutter speeds (and a tripod) to increase depth of field, but you need short shutter speeds to freeze motion. It's a bit of a balancing act... The brown background is a bit distracting since the color is so close to the butterfly. Put a standard blue tarp on the ground and retake it and you'll see what I mean.

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:39 am
by tnf
I knew it sucked, but I couldn't explain why.
I did rather like it though, considering my skill set. :tear:

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:46 am
by Dave
I didn't say it sucked :p It's more an issue of incorporating colors that don't blend. Here's a cool little guide about color I found on Apple's website the other day:

edit: wrong link: http://www.apple.com/pro/color/tools/caponigro/

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:04 am
by tnf
Here's another one, smaller. And yea, I know you didn't say it sucked. I feel like a rank amateur posting any of my pictures on here though, what with all the photographers we have here.
thanks for the link. I'll look over that. So much goes into taking a good picture and I know absolutely none of it.

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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:28 am
by Dave
A lot of the stuff you don't even think about until after you've taken the picture, but it does help you see things when they do pop up and also helps when you're done taking pictures during the editing process (when you decide which photos go and which stay, not which to Photoshop)--which I think is even more helpful.

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:23 am
by Fanatic X
I was in Chapters the other day and noticed the July issue of Pop photo was already out so I proceeded to flip through the pages looking for my own pic. There it was on page 61 in one of the feature stories titled "Miracles in Low Light". Roughly 5"x3" puny in size sitting in the middle section of the right page along 3 others, unnaturally oversaturated with a blimp of a footnote below it titled "Sci-Fi City".

There's more stuff written, mostly amateur advice, which I ain't gonna bore you with but I'll just say that my initial reaction was...."bleh, WTF happened to my pic". I then proceeded outside to smoke a fatty and showed it to my photography friends and then we proceeded making fun of the crappy print.

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:49 pm
by plained
eh coulda been worce

like a bunch of hidious sharpening applied.

ive had that to to footage in the past.

i dont like sharpening :(

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:20 pm
by Doombrain
plained wrote:eh coulda been worce

like a bunch of hidious sharpening applied.

ive had that to to footage in the past.

i dont like sharpening :(
show us what you mean please. is there a pic in here that has been over done, if so please link it.

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:23 pm
by plained
speak english spackster!

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:27 pm
by Doombrain
thought so.

if you will please, dave....

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:33 pm
by plained
yea dave knows what i mean.

i also notice he' has been haveing thoughs about difraction.

next he'll be mentioning how to find the "sweet spot "openings !

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:34 pm
by Dave
I shoot with the aperture closed all of the way down quite a bit... I assume you do as well? I mean, if someone is going to worry about the little bit of noise generated at ISO 400, then they might as well know about all the other things that can go wrong. Perhaps you'd like to share your thoughs on the subject.

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:52 pm
by plained
i believe that certain aperture look better then others..

espeicially on zoom type lenses at diff zoom positions.

i usually dont use the smallest openings to avoid difraction.

altho on my vid cam if conditions are very harsh, i'll close it down all the way to introduse some difraction cus it has a softening/contrast cutting effect that i like.

all imo o corce i'm no pro :shrug:

Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 3:31 am
by Dave
sure thing...

Anyway, good thing my camera is water resistant...

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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:14 am
by Fender
that HDR?

Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:55 am
by Dave
NO! :D

Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 7:57 am
by saturn
Whiskey 7 wrote:
saturn wrote:Waiting in a restaurant for our food. Played a bit with my 28mm f2.8 manual focus, had to set aperture and shutterspeed myself without metering :)

saturn, Ive seen some great shots recently.

This is up there with 'em :D

You have captured something here quite unique.
Thank you very much sir :)

Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 9:10 am
by Don Carlos
Loving that last picture Dave :D

Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:04 am
by Doombrain
plained wrote:i believe that certain aperture look better then others..

espeicially on zoom type lenses at diff zoom positions.

i usually dont use the smallest openings to avoid difraction.

altho on my vid cam if conditions are very harsh, i'll close it down all the way to introduse some difraction cus it has a softening/contrast cutting effect that i like.

all imo o corce i'm no pro :shrug:
good god.

Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:34 am
by MKJ
Dave wrote:sure thing...

Anyway, good thing my camera is water resistant...

[lvlshot]http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1212/595269086_eccde90684_o.jpg[/lvlshot]
very very nice sir

Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 9:22 pm
by saturn
Taken at nighttime with my 18-55 kitlens on a tripod this weekend.

258.6 secs exposure with f/11 :D

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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 9:23 pm
by Doombrain
256.8 you say?

Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 9:24 pm
by saturn
Yup, used a remote to open the mirror. Went inside the hotelroom for a cup of tea with the missus, returned to close the mirrow again.