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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:24 pm
by MKJ
Dek wrote:
They say he has redeemed himself by speaking out against violence and writing children's books on the evils of gang life. During his 24 years at San Quentin, the Crips street gang founder turned his life around to the point that a Swiss legislator, college professors and others repeatedly submitted his name for Nobel peace and literature prizes.
Anyone can be nominated for a nobel peace prize, that means absolutely squat.
yes, all one has to do is come up with a new way of looking at something in such a manner that it will completely change the way his/her peers will progress in their field of expertise.
pretty much anybody indeed
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:32 pm
by tnf
tough call. if he has seriously been reformed, and is a 'new person' (which he appears to be) - killing him now eliminates all future good he may do. And I believe there is a lot of good he may do.
On the other hand, if he did in fact kill those 4 people execution style then that's the penalty in that state - although cases like this make me waver on the death penalty (and from what i understand the evidence wasn't too substantial - but that's not an extremely informed opinion, so I am not sure).
I think the execution should be stayed.
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:34 pm
by Jackal
Massive Quasars wrote:Hannibal wrote:I'm opposed to the death penalty, so there really isn't much for me to chew over on this one.
Indeed, but on what grounds? Questionable utility? Risk of executing an innocent person too great?
The penile system is meant to reform. He's a prime candidate for reformation.
Even if they aren't, killing someone just isn't the answer. People argue that it provides closure but really it does the exact opposite.
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:41 pm
by Nightshade
In this case, I really think that he IS an excellent example of reformation. Granted, he was convicted of killing those four people, but if he can't be seen as someone that shows the system actually works once in a while, where does that leave us?
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:55 pm
by Freakaloin
sorry...this guy should fry...i don't care what jamie foxx says...
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:56 pm
by losCHUNK
Nightshade wrote:In this case, I really think that he IS an excellent example of reformation. Granted, he was convicted of killing those four people, but if he can't be seen as someone that shows the system actually works once in a while, where does that leave us?
:icon14:
if the guy has reformed then all he can do now is good
killing him now would be a waste of tax payers money
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:20 pm
by Freakaloin
it cost less then keeping him alive now...his appeals r all used up...he was convicted by a jury and lost all his appeals...why should he be treated in a special way?...
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:21 pm
by Jackal
Freakaloin wrote:it cost less then keeping him alive now...his appeals r all used up...he was convicted by a jury and lost all his appeals...why should he be treated in a special way?...
because that would be the smart thing to do.
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:22 pm
by SplishSplash
I like how they're all saying "But he's a Nobel Peace Prize nominee" like it's some kind of accomplishment.
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:24 pm
by Freakaloin
maybe u could explain how it would be smart? if thats smart then why isn't smart to just let all the criminals in the us out of prison today? why even have laws?
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:36 pm
by Jackal
Freakaloin wrote:maybe u could explain how it would be smart? if thats smart then why isn't smart to just let all the criminals in the us out of prison today? why even have laws?
what?
It's smart because the man is obviously at least partially reformed. He shouldn't be killed because of bureocracy (sp). Why the fuck does that mean we should let everyone out of prisons and have no laws?
Granted I think the prison system needs to be completely overhauled. The whole retributive paradigm just does not work.
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:38 pm
by Freakaloin
wtf u talking about? what about the victims and their families? maybe someone should kill ur family then the state should free him and give him an award...moron alert!!!
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:39 pm
by Freakaloin
and since when was the death penalty about reform dumbo?...
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:49 pm
by Jackal
It honestly shocks me that you can even read.
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:15 pm
by HM-PuFFNSTuFF
the death penalty is idiotic imho
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:38 pm
by prince1000
yup
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:47 pm
by Freakaloin
it teaches ppl a lesson...
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:49 pm
by HM-PuFFNSTuFF
no it doesn't
edit: oops
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:56 pm
by Freakaloin
no...i meant the ppl who get executed...it teaches them a lesson...
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:20 pm
by Jackal
Freakaloin wrote:no...i meant the ppl who get executed...it teaches them a lesson...
Can you teach a corpse how to play the violin?
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:23 pm
by Freakaloin
they are taught the lesson right before they die...
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:34 pm
by prince1000
Freakaloin wrote:they are taught the lesson right before they die...
death is a gift, much like life geoff. way to go, you let them get off scott-free!
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:19 pm
by Freakaloin
if death is such a gift, then why do most of the deathrow morons fight it?
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:23 pm
by Transient
Wow, now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:30 pm
by Freakaloin
heres the deal...i never lose...any questions?...next...