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phantasmagoria wrote:

Synergy wrote:It's all bad, I know, but the war itself is for a good cause.

best troll ever

Sorry, I'm the real deal...

Synergy wrote:I believe that the formation of a government in Iraq was good first of all, and second Iraq harbors a lot of terrorists, so yes, helping the Iraqis will in the end, help the war on terror.

Did these terrorist and/or insurgents exist (and were they active?) in Iraq, in great numbers, before the war in Iraq?

As I understand it, before the war, some Al Qaeda folks were in the relatively autonomous Kurdish north (ungoverned by Saddam).

If we pull out of Iraq before victory, insurgents will take over, Baghdad as the main goal...and become a major threat to the whole world.

Perhaps. It's unclear whether they'll be a major threat to the world, but it seems likely that some sort of Islamic government would take power (Shia ruled).

Massive Quasars wrote:Did these terrorist and/or insurgents exist (and were they active?) in Iraq, in great numbers, before the war in Iraq?

They have existed for many many years...

Isn't 9/11 active enough? (terrorist-wise)

Synergy wrote:They have existed for many many years...

In Iraq? Could you elaborate?

Isn't 9/11 active enough? (terrorist-wise)

That's active enough, yes. What relationship did Iraq and/or the Saddam-led Iraqi government have with 9/11?

Synergy wrote:

Nightshade wrote:

Synergy wrote:People will make up anything to make Bush look like an idiot --or gay in this case--, but they know he's doing his best, and a damn fine job at that.

Oh yes, as evidenced by the nearly $9 trillion dollar debt, largest deficit in history, soaring profits for oil companies, reduced environmental protections, over 2500 Americans and 100,000 Iraqis dead, the entire world pissed at us, torrents of illegal immigrants surging through our borders, etc, etc.

YES, HE'S DOING A FUCKING STELLAR JOB. Eat shit and die, you fucking stupid Bushie meatpuppet.

Whoa, dude, calm down, seriously. Wars cause debt and people die. They are sacrafices. It's all bad, I know, but the war itself is for a good cause.

Look at what happened after WW2. The economy flourished, job opportunities rose. We are in some tough shit right now, all I'm saying is Bush is making the best out of what he can do.

I can't be calm when I know that people as ungodly dumb as you have the ability to reproduce. I've said it before, and it bears repeating: I'm stunned at how gleefully ignorant and willingly retarded you are.

lol

"Wars cause debt"
"Look at what happened after WW2. The economy flourished, job opportunities rose."

Massive Quasars wrote:

Synergy wrote:They have existed for many many years...

In Iraq? Could you elaborate?

Isn't 9/11 active enough? (terrorist-wise)

That's active enough, yes. What relationship did Iraq and/or the Saddam-led Iraqi government have with 9/11?

Whoa, man, I'm not a walking enncyclopedia, sorry, I cannot elaborate.

Seriously though, I'm not an expert. I feel like I'm being interrogated by you.

Nightshade wrote:

Synergy wrote:

Nightshade wrote: Oh yes, as evidenced by the nearly $9 trillion dollar debt, largest deficit in history, soaring profits for oil companies, reduced environmental protections, over 2500 Americans and 100,000 Iraqis dead, the entire world pissed at us, torrents of illegal immigrants surging through our borders, etc, etc.

YES, HE'S DOING A FUCKING STELLAR JOB. Eat shit and die, you fucking stupid Bushie meatpuppet.

Whoa, dude, calm down, seriously. Wars cause debt and people die. They are sacrafices. It's all bad, I know, but the war itself is for a good cause.

Look at what happened after WW2. The economy flourished, job opportunities rose. We are in some tough shit right now, all I'm saying is Bush is making the best out of what he can do.

I can't be calm when I know that people as ungodly dumb as you have the ability to reproduce. I've said it before, and it bears repeating: I'm stunned at how gleefully ignorant and willingly retarded you are.

Those people you claim to be "ungodly dumb as me" are simply the other side, and that's all there is to it. I could say shit about what you believe in too, but I don't, because I respect the fact you believe in something. If you don't respect my opinions, fine, whatever.

Dave wrote:lol

"Wars cause debt"
"Look at what happened after WW2. The economy flourished, job opportunities rose."

Yes, wars do cause debt.

Post-war, however, tends to be a blooming period for nations. It's true. (Well, for those who win at least).

Synergy wrote:Whoa, man, I'm not a walking enncyclopedia, sorry, I cannot elaborate.

Alright.

Seriously though, I'm not an expert. I feel like I'm being interrogated by you.

I apologize if I came off that way. I was just attempting to gain a better understanding of your position and the evidence that led you there.

What's wrong with that?

phantasmagoria wrote:

Synergy wrote:It's all bad, I know, but the war itself is for a good cause.

best troll ever

dunno..

Synergy wrote:People will make up anything to make Bush look like an idiot --or gay in this case--, but they know he's doing his best, and a damn fine job at that.

SYNERGAY FOR REPRESANT S3NET0R!!1111

Synergy wrote:

Nightshade wrote:

Synergy wrote:Whoa, dude, calm down, seriously. Wars cause debt and people die. They are sacrafices. It's all bad, I know, but the war itself is for a good cause.

Look at what happened after WW2. The economy flourished, job opportunities rose. We are in some tough shit right now, all I'm saying is Bush is making the best out of what he can do.

I can't be calm when I know that people as ungodly dumb as you have the ability to reproduce. I've said it before, and it bears repeating: I'm stunned at how gleefully ignorant and willingly retarded you are.

Those people you claim to be "ungodly dumb as me" are simply the other side, and that's all there is to it. I could say shit about what you believe in too, but I don't, because I respect the fact you believe in something. If you don't respect my opinions, fine, whatever.

This isn't about sides, or respecting beliefs. You thinking that is simply further proof that you're utterly disconnected from anything remotely resembling reality. This is about frustration in dealing with fucking dolts like you that blindly ignore the truth, and refuse to even question anything that Bush and company do. You have shown again and again that you know NOTHING of what's actually going on in the world, and you continually spew Republican party line garbage. Are you fucking blind? Do you read, see, or hear anything other than Fox News? Wake the fuck up man.

Nightshade wrote:

Synergy wrote:

Nightshade wrote: I can't be calm when I know that people as ungodly dumb as you have the ability to reproduce. I've said it before, and it bears repeating: I'm stunned at how gleefully ignorant and willingly retarded you are.

Those people you claim to be "ungodly dumb as me" are simply the other side, and that's all there is to it. I could say shit about what you believe in too, but I don't, because I respect the fact you believe in something. If you don't respect my opinions, fine, whatever.

This isn't about sides, or respecting beliefs. You thinking that is simply further proof that you're utterly disconnected from anything remotely resembling reality. This is about frustration in dealing with fucking dolts like you that blindly ignore the truth, and refuse to even question anything that Bush and company do. You have shown again and again that you know NOTHING of what's actually going on in the world, and you continually spew Republican party line garbage. Are you fucking blind? Do you read, see, or hear anything other than Fox News? Wake the fuck up man.

I'm not blind, I know what's going on. I know all that stuff I laughed at before really was staged, and Rumsfeld doctrine was a horrible plan. I know Bush hasn't had the brightest ideas (and he's not the brightest crayon in the box either) I know all this now. But I still concur with the plan to not pull out of Iraq. I heard Bush's replies to the press recently on his plan to stay in Iraq. If we don't, the insurgents will retake what we gained, and the world terrorism threat will be at great risk. This is one thing I do believe.

lol...the insurgency won the day we invaded u idiot...and no matter how long we stay or whatever we do we r already at a greater risk of terrorism...in otherwords moron...ur worse fear has already happened...thinking positive or putting a good face on it is not gonna change anything...just makes u sound like a bigger moron...got it? good...

Synergy wrote:

Massive Quasars wrote:Did these terrorist and/or insurgents exist (and were they active?) in Iraq, in great numbers, before the war in Iraq?

They have existed for many many years...

Isn't 9/11 active enough? (terrorist-wise)

his question was "in Iraq"

Synergy wrote:

Nightshade wrote:

Synergy wrote: Those people you claim to be "ungodly dumb as me" are simply the other side, and that's all there is to it. I could say shit about what you believe in too, but I don't, because I respect the fact you believe in something. If you don't respect my opinions, fine, whatever.

This isn't about sides, or respecting beliefs. You thinking that is simply further proof that you're utterly disconnected from anything remotely resembling reality. This is about frustration in dealing with fucking dolts like you that blindly ignore the truth, and refuse to even question anything that Bush and company do. You have shown again and again that you know NOTHING of what's actually going on in the world, and you continually spew Republican party line garbage. Are you fucking blind? Do you read, see, or hear anything other than Fox News? Wake the fuck up man.

I'm not blind, I know what's going on. I know all that stuff I laughed at before really was staged, and Rumsfeld doctrine was a horrible plan. I know Bush hasn't had the brightest ideas (and he's not the brightest crayon in the box either) I know all this now. But I still concur with the plan to not pull out of Iraq. I heard Bush's replies to the press recently on his plan to stay in Iraq. If we don't, the insurgents will retake what we gained, and the world terrorism threat will be at great risk. This is one thing I do believe.

This kind of circular logic is at the core of the Bush camp's arguments. "There are terrorists in Iraq because we're fighting in Iraq so we have to stay and fight the terrorists."
The Bush administration has done far more to increase the threat of terrorism across the globe than pretty much anyone or anything else. THAT is one thing I believe.