Ok can someone shed some light here please. 50 cent related
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Re: Ok can someone shed some light here please. 50 cent rela
Please don't confuse rap and hip-hop. 50 cent is no Hip-Hop artist. It wouldn't be a stretch to declare someone like Dre a Hop-Hop artist but 50 falls well outside of that definition.[xeno]Julios wrote:wtf - not only is the music, the lyrics, and the voice terrible - but wtf - is this a common theme in today's mainstream hiphop?
Rap generally sucks. Hip-hop is ok, and I still dig some MF Doom occasionally. But I always prefered the west-coast electro stuff anyway.... probably because its old skool, analogue, and just downright funky.
Electro boooooogieeeeee forever.
Electro boooooogieeeeee forever.
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Define "mainstream". If you go back and listen to people like Ice Cube (who I would consider mainstream) you get a pretty deep insight into the black community following the Rodney King incident, LA riots, etc. The problem isn't whether or not an artist is mainstream and therefore a sellout... You sound like an angry Marlyn Manson fan still angry over them "selling out."
Whether or not Manson is a rapper is entirely irrelevant...
So mainstream Manson is good and mainstream 50 Cent isn't? Maybe it's just a case of you either not liking black people or not being able to ignore someone's success because you don't like their music. Someone always has to be a critic, but when you try to pull it into a battle between evil "mainstream" and good everything else you join every poor goth who ever cried about losing their pale faced messiah to MTV.
So mainstream Manson is good and mainstream 50 Cent isn't? Maybe it's just a case of you either not liking black people or not being able to ignore someone's success because you don't like their music. Someone always has to be a critic, but when you try to pull it into a battle between evil "mainstream" and good everything else you join every poor goth who ever cried about losing their pale faced messiah to MTV.
Dave wrote:Whether or not Manson is a rapper is entirely irrelevant...
So mainstream Manson is good and mainstream 50 Cent isn't? Maybe it's just a case of you either not liking black people or not being able to ignore someone's success because you don't like their music. Someone always has to be a critic, but when you try to pull it into a battle between evil "mainstream" and good everything else you join every poor goth who ever cried about losing their pale faced messiah to MTV.
You're either trolling me or need to reread my post.
bothbitWISE wrote:Dave wrote:Whether or not Manson is a rapper is entirely irrelevant...
So mainstream Manson is good and mainstream 50 Cent isn't? Maybe it's just a case of you either not liking black people or not being able to ignore someone's success because you don't like their music. Someone always has to be a critic, but when you try to pull it into a battle between evil "mainstream" and good everything else you join every poor goth who ever cried about losing their pale faced messiah to MTV.
You're either trolling me or need to reread my post.
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The main problem I have with the "mainstream" is that many "artists" tend to be record company creations, meaning that they are a part of an industrial top-down process which as it's chief goal has to make as much money for the company executives as possible. That usually means hiring professional songwriters and good-looking "artists" to perform the songs and who only do what they're told by the record company, combined with spending lots of $$$ on PR and advertising.
I, on the other hand see music as a bottom-up artistic activity, where the songwriter writes his or her songs because they have something to say and are passionate about it. In this case the commercial aspect is a by-product of the artistry.
By having the industrial approach, you simply disguise an ordinary industrial product, comparable to shampoo or candy bars, as something artistic, which is in a way to cheat the consumers. On the other hand, I do believe that if there is a market you have every right to exploit it, but the sad thing is that many people can't distinguish between real music and spoonfed commercial crap, which is why the big record companies continue to flourish.
Shit, that sounded pretty elitist, but I guess I'm simply an elitist bastard.
I, on the other hand see music as a bottom-up artistic activity, where the songwriter writes his or her songs because they have something to say and are passionate about it. In this case the commercial aspect is a by-product of the artistry.
By having the industrial approach, you simply disguise an ordinary industrial product, comparable to shampoo or candy bars, as something artistic, which is in a way to cheat the consumers. On the other hand, I do believe that if there is a market you have every right to exploit it, but the sad thing is that many people can't distinguish between real music and spoonfed commercial crap, which is why the big record companies continue to flourish.
Shit, that sounded pretty elitist, but I guess I'm simply an elitist bastard.
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what really disturbs me about this whole gangsta ethos is the behavioural models it offers to people.
If you immerse yourself enough in this genre, and you have an adoration or respect for its heroes, it seems likely that you'll start to behave in a similar manner (especially for kids).
For example, if you get into an argument with someone, you may start using the same verbal and body language as you see your heroes using - call it a cognitive script which you adopt.
If that doesn't resolve the argument, you may resort to punches or worse.
just a hypothesis based on my own observations, reflections, and understanding of cognitive science.
If you immerse yourself enough in this genre, and you have an adoration or respect for its heroes, it seems likely that you'll start to behave in a similar manner (especially for kids).
For example, if you get into an argument with someone, you may start using the same verbal and body language as you see your heroes using - call it a cognitive script which you adopt.
If that doesn't resolve the argument, you may resort to punches or worse.
just a hypothesis based on my own observations, reflections, and understanding of cognitive science.